Re: Proposal for Schema.org extension mechanism

On 2/18/15 12:00 PM, Wallis,Richard wrote:
> Getting back to the merits of the proposal itself….
>
> Although there are some details that would need to be worked out, I 
> think there is the basis here for an elegant solution to sector 
> specific needs that build upon, yet do not dilute, the value of the 
> core Schema.org <http://Schema.org> vocabulary.
>
> Some of those details that would contribute to the success of this 
> approach are, however, in the hands of the search engines.
>
> We know that Google et al are understandably reticent to share 
> insights into what they do and don’t recognise in data they harvest, 
> yet some indication of what they would do with something defined in 
> one of these extension vocabularies would contribute significantly to 
> the adoption of such extensions.
>
> For example what would they do, or intend to do in the future, with a 
> bib.schema.org/MicroForm <http://bib.schema.org/MicroForm>, or with a 
> bib.schema.org/translationOfWork 
> <http://bib.schema.org/translationOfWork> property associated with a 
> schema.org/Book? <http://schema.org/Book?>
>
> Would they:
>
>   * Ignore them both
>   * Recognise them both for what they describe
>   * At least recognise the Microform as an instance of CreativeWork
>     (which it is a subtype of)
>   * ?
>
>
> ~Richard

Great questions!

Hopefully, Guha could shed some light on this matter, in line with his 
initial extensions proposal.

Kingsley
>
> On 17 Feb 2015, at 14:23, Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com 
> <mailto:kidehen@openlinksw.com>> wrote:
>
>> On 2/17/15 6:04 AM, Wallis,Richard wrote:
>>> On 15 Feb 2015, at 14:14, Dan Brickley <danbri@google.com 
>>> <mailto:danbri@google.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Could you help by providing some more realistic examples of cases
>>>> where a description mixes core schema.org <http://schema.org/> 
>>>> terms with those from
>>>> Bibliograph?
>>>
>>> Below are a few examples of live data from OCLC’s worldcat.org 
>>> <http://www.worldcat.org/> containing some BiblioGraph.net 
>>> <http://bibliograph.net/> terms mixed with core schema.org 
>>> <http://schema.org/>, plus a few other bits and pieces.  I’ve 
>>> provided extracts, and include links to the full descriptions, in 
>>> turtle.  (if you prefer other flavours, swap the .ttl suffix for 
>>> .nt, .rdf, .jsonld, or remove it for the html/rdfa version)
>>>
>>> *bgn:translationOfWork*
>>> *(*http://experiment.worldcat.org/oclc/682372219.ttl*)*
>>> <http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/682372219>
>>>          a                           schema:Book ;
>>>          rdfs:label                  "Daxiong zai mo jie da mao xian" ;
>>>          *bgn:translationOfWork*        <http://www.worldcat.org/title/-/oclc/682372219#CreativeWork/unidentifiedOriginalWork> ;
>>>          schema:about                <http://experiment.worldcat.org/entity/work/data/918676648#Thing/you_mo_man_hua> , <http://experiment.worldcat.org/entity/work/data/918676648#Thing/mao_xian_man_hua> ;
>>>          schema:bookEdition          "Chu ban." ;
>>>          schema:contributor          <http://experiment.worldcat.org/entity/work/data/918676648#Person/qiu_changkai> ;
>>>          schema:creator              <http://experiment.worldcat.org/entity/work/data/918676648#Person/tengzi_f_bu_erxiong> ;
>>>          schema:datePublished        "2006" ;
>>>          schema:description          "「大雄在魔界大冒險」是動畫電影的原著。這次的舞臺是以大雄創造出來的魔法世界為背景。但這個異次元世界與現實世界卻只有一線之隔。在這裡, 大雄與哆啦A夢等人同心協力一起對抗地球所面臨的危機。" ;
>>>          schema:exampleOfWork        <http://worldcat.org/entity/work/id/918676648> ;
>>>
>>> *bgn:Thesis, bgn:inSupportOf*
>>> *(*http://experiment.worldcat.org/oclc/725508408.ttl*)*
>>> <http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/725508408>
>>>          a                     schema:CreativeWork ,*bgn:Thesis*  , schema:Book , pto:Web_document ;
>>>          *bgn:inSupportOf*        "Thesis / Dissertation ETD" ;
>>>          library:oclcnum       "725508408" ;
>>>          schema:about          <http://experiment.worldcat.org/entity/work/data/901584627#Thing/diplomarbeit> , <http://experiment.worldcat.org/entity/work/data/901584627#Thing/da<sseldorf>  <http://experiment.worldcat.org/entity/work/data/901584627#Thing/da%3Csseldorf%3E>  , <http://experiment.worldcat.org/entity/work/data/901584627#Thing/fb_2> , <http://experiment.worldcat.org/entity/work/data/901584627#Thing/arts> ;
>>>          schema:creator        <http://experiment.worldcat.org/entity/work/data/901584627#Agent/klein_karina> ;
>>>          schema:datePublished  "2009” ;
>>>
>>> *bgn:MusicScore*
>>> *(*http://experiment.worldcat.org/oclc/11222068.ttl*)*
>>> <http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/11222068>
>>>          a*bgn:MusicScore*  ;
>>>          library:oclcnum             11222068 ;
>>>          library:placeOfPublication  <http://id.loc.gov/vocabulary/countries/nyu> , <http://dbpedia.org/resource/New_York_City> ;
>>>          schema:about                <http://id.loc.gov/authorities/classification/M557> , <http://id.worldcat.org/fast/1906674> ;
>>>          schema:copyrightYear        "1963" ;
>>>          schema:creator              <http://viaf.org/viaf/25022519> ;
>>>          schema:datePublished        "1963" ;
>>>          schema:exampleOfWork        <http://worldcat.org/entity/work/id/2260835954> ;
>>>          schema:inLanguage           "zxx" ;
>>>          schema:name                 "Twilight crane = fantasy for woodwind quintet = Yuzuru" ;
>>>          schema:publication          <http://www.worldcat.org/title/-/oclc/11222068#PublicationEvent/new_york_g_schirmer_c1963> ;
>>>          schema:publisher            <http://experiment.worldcat.org/entity/work/data/2260835954#Agent/g_schirmer> ;
>>>          wdrs:describedby            <http://www.worldcat.org/title/-/oclc/11222068> .
>>> These few examples are from a set of 300+ million bibliographic 
>>> descriptions in worldcat.org <http://worldcat.org/>, with links to 
>>> some 200 million Work descriptions derived from the same source.  As 
>>> a work in progress there are still a few issues to resolve both in 
>>> vocabulary and data terms.  However they are an effective live 
>>> demonstration of using schema.org <http://schema.org/> as a core 
>>> vocabulary and extending it with BiblioGraph.net 
>>> <http://bibliograph.net/> - the pattern being proposed for 
>>> bib.schema.org <http://bib.schema.org/>.
>>>
>>> ~Richard.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Richard,
>>
>> Please lookup the URL: http://linkeddata.uriburner.com/c/9BZR4FEA
>>
>> Note the object of the <http://bibliograph.net/rangeIncludes> 
>> relation, it's currently "schema:URL" instead of <http:schema.org/URL> .
>>
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