Re: schema.org/Game (was "Re: New schema.org release (sdo-venkman) candidate for review")

+1 to a more generic description.

I don't see the point in getting overly specific with the role-playing
part. Solitaire is a game where numberOfPlayers is 1. We don't necessarily
need to limit the type to items which use all of the properties.

- Vicki


Vicki Tardif Holland | Ontologist | vtardif@google.com


On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Aaron Bradley <aaranged@gmail.com> wrote:

> > The most obvious fix would be for Game to become
> > RolePlayingGame, which avoids us getting all Wittgenstein on the
> > "what's a game" issue.
>
> I think the most obvious fix would be to make the description generic and
> not wake Ludwig at all (this release adds the property "sport" as a
> property for "SportsOrganization" so there's work for him a-plenty if he's
> aroused anyway).
>
> I say this largely because Game works with the more specific type
> VideoGame.  RolePlayingGame does *not* work as more general type for
> VideoGame, as of course not all video games are role-playing game - not
> even the majority of them.
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Dan Brickley <danbri@google.com> wrote:
>
>> +Yuliya
>>
>> On 17 November 2014 20:06, Aaron Bradley <aaranged@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Looks great!  A note just on the description for:
>> > http://sdo-venkman.appspot.com/Game
>> >
>> > Which is:
>> > "A role-playing game is a game in which players assume the roles of
>> > characters in a fictional setting."
>> >
>> > I think this description was carried over from an earlier context in
>> which
>> > this did describe a role-playing game specifically.  In any case,
>> obviously
>> > a more generic description is required (especially as Monopoly is used
>> in
>> > the code example - and while I do adopt the persona of Andrew Carnegie
>> when
>> > I play, it's not a role-playing game:).
>>
>> I agree - I just noticed that, I had mistakenly thought 'Game' was
>> completely replaced with 'VideoGame'. At least the type name and
>> definition here seem at very different levels of generality. Yuliya,
>> any suggestions? The most obvious fix would be for Game to become
>> RolePlayingGame, which avoids us getting all Wittgenstein on the
>> "what's a game" issue.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> > On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Dan Brickley <danbri@google.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi all
>> >>
>> >> Short version: we think we're pretty much done with a new release, see
>> >> http://sdo-venkman.appspot.com/docs/releases.html#sdo-venkman
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Followers of schema.org may have noticed that we haven't made a new
>> >> release
>> >> of the site since mid-September. However if you have been following
>> along
>> >> on
>> >> Github you'll notice that we have been busy integrating quite a few
>> >> proposals
>> >> and fixes. These are available in Git and as a test site as
>> >> "sdo-venkman"(*).
>> >>
>> >> Pending changes are recorded in docs/releases.html:
>> >>
>> >> http://sdo-venkman.appspot.com/docs/releases.html#sdo-venkman
>> >>
>> >> The underlying schemas, examples, code all lives in Github at:
>> >>
>> >> https://github.com/danbri/schemaorg/tree/sdo-venkman
>> >>
>> >> There are still a few issues we hope to address before publishing these
>> >> changes, see https://github.com/rvguha/schemaorg/issues for details.
>> In
>> >> particular, we expect to address
>> >> https://github.com/rvguha/schemaorg/issues/148
>> >> (VideoGameSeries). We also solicit advice on the proposed type for
>> dated
>> >> monetary values - see
>> >> http://sdo-venkman.appspot.com/docs/releases.html#dated-money
>> >> ... as we are not sure whether DatedMoneyValue would be better than the
>> >> current proposal of DatedMoneyspecification. Former is shorter, latter
>> is
>> >> closer
>> >> to some existing type names.
>> >>
>> >> Comments are welcome as always here or in Github (file an issue there
>> >> for bugs or comment in an existing entry), or anywhere in the Web that
>> >> has a URL.
>> >>
>> >> Since this update will cover a lot of topics, please  re-title the
>> >> mail thread to indicate more specific topics. This is a large set of
>> >> changes so
>> >> there are bound to be a few bugs. If we can steer comments towards
>> >> specifics
>> >> and away from re-opening design earlier discussions that would help in
>> >> getting these improvements published.
>> >>
>> >> Many thanks for your perspective,
>> >>
>> >> cheers,
>> >>
>> >> Dan,
>> >> for schema.org.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> (*)
>> >> Ghostbusters-based codenames let us choose version numbers later.
>> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghostbusters#Cast
>> >> (next release will be sdo-stantz...)
>> >>
>> >
>>
>
>

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