- From: Simon Spero <sesuncedu@gmail.com>
- Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2014 13:31:48 -0400
- To: Bernard Vatant <bernard.vatant@mondeca.com>
- Cc: "Jim Hendler (RPI)" <hendler@cs.rpi.edu>, W3C Web Schemas Task Force <public-vocabs@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <CADE8KM7a_37pA7f1zTiTV0UoM+hUwQ0NrcDtL3tvvLswwcsGBg@mail.gmail.com>
And the flip side, when the domain name changes with no machine readable way of finding the new location (e.g. lemon-model.net)... Sigh On Jun 2, 2014 12:50 PM, "Bernard Vatant" <bernard.vatant@mondeca.com> wrote: > Karen, Kingsley > > Sorry, rant ahead :) > > HTTP URIs are both identifiers and locators and there are thousands of > pages expanding at length on what they mean or not, etc. I don't want to go > again in this permathread of URI meaning. Just want a name to flag clearly > a situation which will be more and more frequent, and which semantic web > actors just plainly ignore or even contribute to create. See below. > > Please look at just the following example, and tell me what is your > concrete proposal, beyond all theory. > > http://lov.okfn.org/dataset/lov/details/vocabulary_geof.html > > A backup version of the vocabulary is available at > http://lov.okfn.org/dataset/lov/agg/archives/dir_geof/file_geof_2004-02-20.n3 > > Now look at what the vocabulary > http://www.mindswap.org/2003/owl/geo/geoFeatures20040307.owl is currently > dereferencing to. > It's 100 times worse than having a 404. It's nothing to do with temporary > failure, mindswap.org which used to host a wealth of precious resources > for the Semantic Web (see > http://www.cs.rpi.edu/~hendler/presentations/Harvard-IIC-05.pdf) is > currently a domain to sale with a garbage placeholder for any URI > http://www.mindswap.org/whatever-goes-here. And the devil knows who is > going to buy it tomorrrow and what the content will be. > > OK the future is unknown, but in that case I can bet anything you want > that this domain will never ever come back to its original owner and the > URIs as geof restored in line, because the original domain owner is linked > to a project which is over for quite a while. > > I would be curious to have the take of Jim Hendler on this, since he was > the leader of mindswap project. Any chance to catch the domain back? > > See also aktors.org, which is for sale, and down the semantic drain goes > AKT ontology, with all the data using it after 10 years online > http://lov.okfn.org/dataset/lov/details/vocabulary_akt.html > > What I want is a quick-and-dirty way to show this to the face of the world. > > Best regards > > Bernard > > > > > 2014-06-02 17:33 GMT+02:00 Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>: > >> On 6/2/14 11:03 AM, Karen Coyle wrote: >> >> Bernard, the difference seems to be that I do not consider the URI to be >> dead, only the information that the URI points to. The URI no longer >> functions **also** as a URL -- it no longer locates, but it still >> identifies. [*] >> >> >> +1 >> >> The Term has be downgraded to a Word :-) >> >> [1] http://www.wikihow.com/Differentiate-Between-a-Term-and-a-Word >> >> -- >> >> Regards, >> >> Kingsley Idehen >> Founder & CEO >> OpenLink Software >> Company Web: http://www.openlinksw.com >> Personal Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen >> Twitter Profile: https://twitter.com/kidehen >> Google+ Profile: https://plus.google.com/+KingsleyIdehen/about >> LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen >> >> >> >> > > > -- > > *Bernard Vatant* > Vocabularies & Data Engineering > Tel : + 33 (0)9 71 48 84 59 > Skype : bernard.vatant > http://google.com/+BernardVatant > -------------------------------------------------------- > *Mondeca* > 35 boulevard de Strasbourg 75010 Paris > www.mondeca.com > Follow us on Twitter : @mondecanews <http://twitter.com/#%21/mondecanews> > ---------------------------------------------------------- >
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