Re: Multi-typed Entities in schema.org; was: Re: makesOffer should accept Service

I now also added 'Structured data testing services as a business function'
as to provide an example of something we all might recognize...

Now I would like to ask if anybody has any idea when there finally will be
some clarity on how and when multiple (additional)type entities finally
will be supported by the sponsors of schema.org?

Multiple posts have been written about the subject already:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-vocabs/2013Oct/0154.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-vocabs/2013Oct/0209.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-vocabs/2013Oct/0158.html

And confusing statements have been made:
Guha: "additionalType == typeOf"
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-vocabs/2013Oct/0136.html

Because if additionalType == typeOf isn't that than the same as saying
additionalType == type? As illustrated by
http://www.w3.org/TR/rdfa-syntax/#typing-resources-with-typeof.
Except maybe in the case of Microdata where two types cannot not be
specified on the same type if they do not use the same vocabulary, as
illustrated by http://www.w3.org/TR/microdata/#typed-items and
http://schema.org/additionalType.

Now, in certain groups outside of the public vocabs this subject is
starting to become a lively discussion but I start to get the feeling that
at the public vocabs this subject is just that - a discussion. It would be
nice if someday soon an official position by the sponsors of schema.org was
communicated and support for specifications that already are in place is
finally implemented.

Apologies for the personal statements that are getting mixed up in this but
I just can't keep my mouth shut any longer. It simply irritates the heck
out of me that official specifications that have been passed at the W3 for
quite a long time now still aren't supported by the schema.org sponsors,
especially when the markup these specifications describe is needed in
everyday markup situations. Both Google's and Yandex's structured data fail
on the markup and to make matters even worse, so does the W3 markup
validator. When will finally move on from this stalemate?




On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 1:56 AM, Jarno van Driel <jarno@quantumspork.nl>wrote:

> I've made three different microdata examples, which maybe go a bit further
> than you'd like for examples, so if it needs to be simplified let me know
> or go ahead. I tried to do something with the given data that represents
> the ways I might do this in a website.
>
> Once it looks more like what you're looking for I'll be happy to make RDFa
> Lite and JSON-LD examples as well, but I fear that for a full RDFa somebody
> else needs to help as well as I'm not comfortable enough with that still.
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 8:58 PM, Thad Guidry <thadguidry@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I have added a personal example which needs improvement by the community
>> on http://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas/MultipleTypesSDO
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Jarno van Driel <jarno@quantumspork.nl>wrote:
>>
>>> I'll do my best not to let you down Dan, thanks for pointing the way.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 8:14 PM, Dan Brickley <danbri@google.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 8 January 2014 18:15, Jarno van Driel <jarno@quantumspork.nl> wrote:
>>>> > Excuse me for being the noob here ;) but how could I literally help
>>>> out? I'm
>>>> > willing but unfortunately unfamiliar with what I could on the
>>>> webschemas
>>>> > wiki nor how to do it. If somebody could point me the way and hold my
>>>> hand a
>>>> > bit so to say, than I'm more than happy to dedicate some of my time
>>>> to code
>>>> > a bunch of examples. I just don't know where and how to start.
>>>>
>>>> Sure. Step 1., get a W3C Account.
>>>>
>>>> a) if you work for  a member organization, find out who your W3C
>>>> 'advisory committee' rep is, and do it through then
>>>> or
>>>> b) members of the public can also get W3C accounts, see under
>>>> http://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas#Introduction "To edit this wiki,
>>>> you'll need a W3C account; these are available to all"
>>>> -> https://www.w3.org/accounts/request has details on the process (it
>>>> might take a few hours, and some checking for mail response etc.).
>>>>
>>>> Step 2., create some markup examples. For this you'll need some
>>>> passing familiarity with MediaWiki. There are a few ways we could do
>>>> this. Markup inline in a Wiki page, or links to files elsewhere (e.g.
>>>> W3C mercurial repository --- yet more tooling to learn, github,
>>>> external URLs etc.).
>>>>
>>>> W3C's installation of MediaWiki has a useful addon for markup
>>>> examples, here's a quick sample:
>>>>
>>>> <syntaxhighlight lang="html4strict" line start="1" highlight="2,3">
>>>>  <div itemscope="" itemtype="http://schema.org/SoftwareApplication">
>>>>     <p itemprop="operatingSystems">OSX 10.6</p>,
>>>>     <p itemprop="operatingSystems">Windows 7</p>
>>>>  ...
>>>>  </div>
>>>> </syntaxhighlight>
>>>>
>>>> I have made a super-quick example page here, just to get started:
>>>> http://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas/MultipleTypesSDO
>>>>
>>>> Feel free to add inline linked examples, attachments, links to github,
>>>> gist, mercurial, ... whatever is easiest.
>>>>
>>>> Hope that helps,
>>>>
>>>> Dan
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> -Thad
>> +ThadGuidry <https://www.google.com/+ThadGuidry>
>> Thad on LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/thadguidry/>
>>
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