Re: schema.org proposal for extending Thing

On 9 May 2013 00:00, Raj Singh <rsingh@opengeospatial.org> wrote:
> I haven't heard anything on this for a month. I think Dan was on vacation the week it was discussed, which may be part of the problem. Dan, could you comment?

This one did escape me. Is this a fair summary:

1. there is support for sameThingAs (or 'sameAs'; I'm more and more
convinced to go with OWL-compatible naming).
2. there is interest in a categorisation mechanism that operates at a
different level to schema.org's built-in typing system; something
close to W3C SKOS?

Dan

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> On Apr 10, at 1:37 PM, Raj Singh <rsingh@opengeospatial.org> wrote:
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>> I had two proposals. One was category and the other was related link. sameThingAs is one type of related link -- the most important type IMHO. So I agree it does not replace the need for category. I still suggest adding that property to Thing.
>>
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>> Raj
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>> On Apr 10, 2013, at 11:40 AM, Karen Coyle <kcoyle@kcoyle.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/9/13 3:40 PM, Raj Singh wrote:
>>>> Reading the sameThingAs property [1], I do think that would serve
>>>> mainly the same purpose. Thing/link as I described it would be more
>>>> general, allowing for more types of relationships between the
>>>> resource and the link, but honestly, I think sameThingAs covers most
>>>> requirements.
>>>
>>> I see a difference between the identification role of sameThingAs and Raj's proposal for a property that can be used to categorize something. This is based on my assumption that a category for the church named "Sagrada Familia" might be a link to the wikipedia category "Churches in Barcelona" or the geonames code "CH" for "church." If sameThingAs also exists as a property, then the link to dbpedia:Sagrada_familia would use that property.
>>>
>>> I wouldn't expect to see sameThingAs -> geonames:CH.
>>>
>>> Raj, have I understood your meaning of "category"?
>>>
>>> kc
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't think Thing/url could be made to work for this purpose. You
>>>> could do some mark up like that below, but the semantics would be too
>>>> vague to do anything with it.
>>>>
>>>> <div itemscope itemtype="http://schema.org/Place"> <p
>>>> class="headline" itemprop="name">First Baptist Church in America</p>
>>>> <a href="picinside.html" itemprop="url">Here is a picture inside the
>>>> church</url> <a href="picback.html" itemprop="url">Here is a picture
>>>> of the back of the church</url> <a href="church.rdf"
>>>> itemprop="url">This is some RDF about the church</url> </div>
>>>>
>>>> Just the fact that they are called out as "urls" about the place
>>>> could tell  you that there's some relationship (but the documentation
>>>> would have to make this clear) between the Thing and its child "url"
>>>> properties. Is that enough semantics for the schema.org mission?
>>>> Until now I didn't think it was, but maybe it is. It's a good debate
>>>> to have...
>>>>
>>>> [1] http://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas/ThingIdentity
>>>>
>>>> --- Raj The OGC: Making location count.
>>>> http://www.opengeospatial.org/ogc/organization/staff/rsingh
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 9, at 5:55 PM, Justin Boyan <jaboyan@google.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Raj, re your second proposal, can you clarify the difference
>>>>> between Thing/link, the existing Thing/url, and the object's id
>>>>> (microdata @itemid, RDFa @about)? Would Thing/link serve the same
>>>>> purpose as the proposed sameThingAs property?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, Justin
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 5:03 PM, Raj Singh
>>>>> <rsingh@opengeospatial.org> wrote: I'm developing schema.org schema
>>>>> for points of interest (POIs), based on a lot of work on a
>>>>> conceptual model [1]. I've created an initial implementation using
>>>>> existing schema.org vocabulary -- particularly the Place object
>>>>> [2].
>>>>>
>>>>> Two things seem to be omitted from the core schema, which are key
>>>>> components of our POI model. First is the idea of categorization,
>>>>> or freeform tagging, such as is present in the Atom category
>>>>> element [3]. This is a concept used in the POI model, but seems
>>>>> incredibly useful for any type of object, and therefore I believe
>>>>> category should be a property of Thing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Second is the idea of related links. The concept of identifying
>>>>> related resources is a widespread requirement present in most
>>>>> information architectures. HTML has it [4]. Atom has it [5].
>>>>> Semantic technology such as RDF is practically based on it. Why not
>>>>> schema.org? In the POI work, we adopted the IANA link relation
>>>>> types [6], but we weren't totally happy with those. Doesn't it seem
>>>>> like schema.org's Thing needs a link property?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] http://www.w3.org/2010/POI/wiki/Data_Model [2]
>>>>> http://openpois.ogcnetwork.net/pois/51f2e335-781e-4651-bfe2-d54682238919
>>> [3] http://www.atomenabled.org/developers/syndication/#category
>>>>> [4]
>>>>> http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/REC-html401-19991224/struct/links.html#h-12.3
>>> [5] http://www.atomenabled.org/developers/syndication/#link
>>>>> [6]
>>>>> http://www.iana.org/assignments/link-relations/link-relations.xml
>>>>>
>>>>> --- Raj The OGC: Making location count.
>>>>> http://www.opengeospatial.org/ogc/organization/staff/rsingh
>>>
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