Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: VC-EDU Interoperability Plug Fest Spec Review

What is the exact date, location, and timing (both physical and virtual)
for the Plugfest?
I have a hold on my schedule for June 6 in the afternoon.

Cheers,
Gordon

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On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 7:31 PM Sharon Leu <sleu@jff.org> wrote:

> Did this get answered? If not please send it to the vc-edu listserv.
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> Thanks!
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> sharon
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> *From: *Gordon Jones <gordon@thrivacy.io>
> *Date: *Thursday, May 26, 2022 at 10:12 AM
> *To: *Julien Fraichot <Julien.Fraichot@hyland.com>
> *Cc: *Manu Sporny <msporny@digitalbazaar.com>, David Chadwick <
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> *Subject: *Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: VC-EDU Interoperability Plug
> Fest Spec Review
>
> So, we are still nailing down the schema of the VC and then it will need
> to be interoperable between protocols?
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> Cheers,
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> Gordon
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> On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 1:01 AM Julien Fraichot <
> Julien.Fraichot@hyland.com> wrote:
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> It’s a valid point Manu and we’ve faced it too.
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> But I think in the end we also need to think what needs to be immutable in
> a VC and what is “cosmetic”. The issuer  identity needs to be, but to your
> point the issuer brand is somewhat less important.
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> That’s also why the issuer property does not need to be an object, but can
> point to a (de)centralized object, I believe.
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> *From: *Manu Sporny <msporny@digitalbazaar.com>
> *Date: *Wednesday, 25 May 2022 at 08:25
> *To: *Julien Fraichot <Julien.Fraichot@hyland.com>, David Chadwick <
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> Kerri Lemoie <kerri@openworksgrp.com>
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> awinters@nga.org>, Corey Dixon <coreyedixon@gmail.com>, Meena Naik <
> mnaik@jff.org>, Eugene So <eso@jff.org>, Joan Lee <jlee@jfflabs.org>,
> khamilton@centre.io <khamilton@centre.io>, dzagidulin@gmail.com <
> dzagidulin@gmail.com>, Simone Ravaioli <simone.ravaioli@parchment.com>,
> tcsummers@asu.edu <tcsummers@asu.edu>, Deepak.Kulkarni@asu.edu <
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> *Subject: *[EXTERNAL] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: VC-EDU Interoperability Plug
> Fest Spec Review
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> On 5/25/22 8:49 AM, Julien Fraichot wrote:
> > I don’t think there is a better solution between the 2, it’s really
> about
> > trade-offs: size vs centralization.
>
> Agree with much of what Julien is saying... I'll note that there is another
> trade-off -- update-ability. Sometimes the issuer does want to update the
> image in place (new branding, new brand guidelines, etc.) for very
> long-lived
> credentials.
>
> Universities stay around for more than a few years at a time, and your
> degree
> is typically good for a lifetime. Universities also go through (very
> expensive) re-branding exercises every few years... I know our local
> university spends millions doing this... tears down all their signs and
> replaces them with (questionably) improved designs every 5-10 years.
>
> All this to say... there is at least size vs. centralization vs.
> update-ability.
>
> There's a lot to unpack here, and my suggestion is that we don't do that
> before June 6th. :)
>
> Can we just "do whatever our wallets do today to display images"? So,
> there is
> a URL... if it's "https://..." we dereference the image and display it...
> if
> it's "data:image/png;base64,SGVsbG8sIFdvcm..." we render it directly.
>
> ... and we support whatever our wallets do today, and then pin this as an
> "item to be discussed" for later plugfests?
>
> -- manu
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