- From: Nigel Megitt <nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk>
- Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2020 17:19:55 +0000
- To: "public-tt@w3.org" <public-tt@w3.org>
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Thanks all for attending today's TTWG meeting. Minutes can be found in HTML format at https://www.w3.org/2020/03/26-tt-minutes.html
Please note that we made 1 Resolution<https://www.w3.org/2020/03/26-tt-minutes.html#r01>:
Resolution: Change "Latest IMSC1 Recommendation" to "Latest IMSC Recommendation" and point to the rec link in 3 current documents: 1.0.1 REC, 1.1 REC and 1.2 CR
The review period for this Resolution under the group's Decision Policy expires on 2020-04-09.
Those minutes in text format:
[1]W3C
[1] https://www.w3.org/
Timed Text Working Group Teleconference
26 March 2020
[2]Previous meeting. [3]Agenda. [4]IRC log.
[2] https://www.w3.org/2020/03/19-tt-minutes.html
[3] https://github.com/w3c/ttwg/issues/102
[4] https://www.w3.org/2020/03/26-tt-irc
Attendees
Present
Andreas, Atsushi, Cyril, Gary, Glenn, Nigel, Pierre
Regrets
-
Chair
Gary, Nigel
Scribe
cyril, nigel
Contents
1. [5]This meeting
2. [6]IMSC 1.2
3. [7]TTML2 2nd Edition Implementation Report
4. [8]Minor Charter updates
5. [9]Calendar files in agendas
6. [10]Arranging joint session with PING
7. [11]imsc/rec link
8. [12]Meeting close
9. [13]Summary of resolutions
Meeting minutes
<atsushi> (will join after i18n WG call ends,,, hope in short
time)
This meeting
nigel: looking light today
… IMSC1.2, TTML2 2nd ed IR
… and some AOBs
… to alert people to minor tweaks in the charter
<atsushi> AOB+ added [14]https://www.w3.org/TR/ttml-imsc/rec
and it points to [15]https://www.w3.org/TR/ttml-imsc1.1/ (got
right now)
[14] https://www.w3.org/TR/ttml-imsc/rec
[15] https://www.w3.org/TR/ttml-imsc1.1/
nigel: thanks to atsushi for preparing calendar files
… and about a joint session with PING
… any other business that other people want to add?
atsushi: I pasted it on IRC a new link
… which points to the latest IMSC spec
IMSC 1.2
nigel: the main news is we published CR
… thanks everybody
<nigel> [16]IMSC 1.2 CR
[16] https://www.w3.org/TR/2020/CR-ttml-imsc1.2-20200324/
nigel: we do expect to have an empty IR
… because it's a profile
… and the tests are already in TTML2
… we do have some editorial changes
… Pierre, any concern from an editorial perspective?
pal: yes
… my first concern is that I've not heard back from the
commenter
… it's been 2 weeks ago
nigel: on accessibility?
pal: yes
… it could all be that this was confusion due to the spec not
being clear
… a potential solution could be to add an introduction
… really editorial but some work
… I don't know how to get the commenter back
nigel: Given it's been a couple of weeks it's fine for me to
poke that group
pal: If we meet with PING, we might do the same with APA
nigel: I'll propose that
… would you rather try and schedule that during the call or as
a separate call?
pal: this is going to be detailed so not necessary to be in the
call
cyril: we are not very busy in the calls these days, we could
use them
atai: agree
nigel: for PING we may need a different time
… but for APA, I'll offer that time
nigel: other issues on IMSC1.2?
… similar concerns?
pal: no, the rest, I don't foresee any issue
… thanks again to everybody for getting to CR
TTML2 2nd Edition Implementation Report
nigel: thanks Glenn for the work on the tests
… I'm now up to date on all but 1
… the one I haven't managed to comment on is the one audio in
body
… I'm aware that I'm going to be on the hook for providing
implementation
… and I want to make sure our implementation is working
… my review approach has been checking the spec changes
… and that the tests match something sensible with the spec
glenn: you found a couple of good issues to fix, thanks
… I have a couple of minor issues to deal with
… early next week should be fixed
nigel: I'll keep reviewing them
glenn: you should be able to get one set of implementations
through TTT next week
… I haven't checked other implementations
nigel: I encourage everybody else to have a look at the current
PR
… the more eyes the better
cyril: anybody looked at the draft IR?
glenn: not yet
cyril: probably needs updating based on the new PRs
glenn: I'll get to that probably early next week
<nigel> [17]TTML2 2nd Ed IR
[17] https://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText/TTML2SecondEditionImplementationReport
nigel: with those pull requests, we add various test files, so
we need to do a second pass
… anything else on TTML2?
Minor Charter updates
nigel: somehow we published the charter with "fix me" comments
in the charter document
… atsushi noticed them and made some changes
atsushi: the changes are already live now
nigel: the changes section at the end and the team contact have
been changed
… no need for approval from the team
… this is an informative item
… questions?
Calendar files in agendas
nigel: you might have noticed that this agenda included a link
, in the time section to a *.ics file
… when we discussed the DST switch, someone suggested that we
should have a calendar reminder
… we can now easily do it, thanks to Atsushi
… it seems to be possible to create an ICS with multiple
meetings or per meeting
… the multiple meetings in one file did not work for me
… have a look
… every agenda issue has one of these things in it
… it's early days, any feedback is useful
<atsushi> [18]https://calendar.google.com/calendar/
embed?src=23takkp7lmcssc6b6ggmpr7m1mhfac2d%40import.calendar.go
ogle.com&ctz=Asia%2FTokyo
[18] https://calendar.google.com/calendar/embed?src=23takkp7lmcssc6b6ggmpr7m1mhfac2d@import.calendar.google.com&ctz=Asia/Tokyo
cyril: not sure it's that useful if the file changes every
meeting
pal: agree with cyril
atsushi: I pasted into IRC, the one I added to my calendar
… you may get several events
[19]https://calendar.google.com/calendar/
embed?src=23takkp7lmcssc6b6ggmpr7m1mhfac2d%40import.calendar.go
ogle.com&ctz=Asia%2FTokyo
[19] https://calendar.google.com/calendar/embed?src=23takkp7lmcssc6b6ggmpr7m1mhfac2d@import.calendar.google.com&ctz=Asia/Tokyo
cyril: I don't have permission to view
<atsushi> [20]https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/wip/meetings.ics
[20] https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/wip/meetings.ics
nigel: you need to be logged in Google
pal: I've just tried to add the ICS file and we'll see if it
works
gkatsev: it looks like there is a way to make recurrent events
in ICS
… the issue is that you have to do it manually
<gkatsev> [21]ics reccurance rules
[21] https://icalendar.org/iCalendar-RFC-5545/3-8-5-3-recurrence-rule.html
nigel: Is there general feeling that 1 ICS file with recurrence
rule would be useful?
atsushi: until the next DST change it could work
… but I'm worried about recurrence after the next DST change
<nigel> [22]TimeAndDate ICS generator
[22] https://www.timeanddate.com/scripts/ics.php?type=utc&p1=1440&iso=20200326T16
nigel: I could look at timeanddate creating the ICS
Arranging joint session with PING
nigel: pete said that he cannot make our time
nigel: what I'm tempted to do is suggest the hour afterwards
pal: I'll be available next week at the hour following the
meeting
nigel: nice, for European folks that would be an hour later
… for US, it would be the same hour as today
nigel: I'll go back to PING and propose that
imsc/rec link
nigel: IMSC1.1 has a link to latest IMSC1 recommendation
<nigel> [23]IMSC 1.1 has a link to "Latest IMSC1
recommendation:"
[23] https://www.w3.org/TR/ttml-imsc1.1/
nigel: and it points to [24]https://www.w3.org/TR/
ttml-imsc1.0.1/
[24] https://www.w3.org/TR/ttml-imsc1.0.1/
<nigel> [25]is where it points
[25] https://www.w3.org/TR/ttml-imsc1/
nigel: resolves to IMSC 1.0.1
… but I'm really expecting 1.1
… and when we publish 1.2 it should point to that
pal: yes, the link is broken
nigel: atsushi made some changes
<nigel> [26]New "latest" link
[26] https://www.w3.org/TR/ttml-imsc/rec
atsushi: the /rec link is new and points to the latest
recommendation of IMSC
<nigel> [27]where it resolves to today
[27] https://www.w3.org/TR/ttml-imsc1.1/
atsushi: regardless of the version of TTML IMSC
… now it is pointing to 1.1
nigel: thanks
… the proposal is that we do replacement of the latest IMSC1
link in IMSC1.1 to point to that /rec
… I think that's possible to do in-place
atsushi: yes
cyril: we also need to change the link in 1.0.1
nigel: yes
cyril: and also the 1.0 spec
[28]https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/REC-ttml-imsc1-20160421/
[28] https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/REC-ttml-imsc1-20160421/
nigel: there is also a banner that tells you it's outdated
which points to IMSC1.0.1
… 1.0.1 is still out and is not superseeded
<atsushi> [29]https://www.w3.org/TR/ttml-imsc1.0/
[29] https://www.w3.org/TR/ttml-imsc1.0/
cyril: we should be clear that the latest IMSC1.0 is 1.0.1 but
the latest IMSC is 1.1 and soon 1.2
nigel: right
cyril: we need 2 links: latest 1.0 spec and latest IMSC
pal: people who have kept a link to 1.0 and got there, see it's
outdated, they should get a link to 1.0.1
nigel: agree
… I think where it says "Latest IMSC1 Recommendation" we need
to say "Latest IMSC Recommendation" and point to the rec link
… that change applies to 3 current document: 1.0.1 REC, 1.1 REC
and 1.2 CR
cyril: agree, but what do we do this link [30]http://
www.w3.org/TR/ttml-imsc1/?
… because strictly speaking the latest is 1.1 or 1.2
[30] http://www.w3.org/TR/ttml-imsc1/?
pal: historically, IMSC1 was IMSC1.0
… maybe it's not perfect, but not completely broken
nigel: if we change the link pointed to by [31]http://
www.w3.org/TR/ttml-imsc1/ we would need to change 1.0 and
1.0.1, and that's extra work
… my inclination is not to do this extra work
[31] http://www.w3.org/TR/ttml-imsc1/
atsushi: I need a WG agreement and resolution
Resolution: Change "Latest IMSC1 Recommendation" to "Latest
IMSC Recommendation" and point to the rec link in 3 current
documents: 1.0.1 REC, 1.1 REC and 1.2 CR
nigel: in 1.2 we could wait for PR but it's confusing
atsushi: from a process point of view, there is no edited CR
pal: in the past, we made such minor changes without going
through the process
nigel: let's try to do the resolution and revisit if we have a
problem
atsushi: I will draft an email and CC Nigel
Meeting close
Nigel: Thanks everyone, that's our agenda completed, apologies
we're 2 minutes over.
… [adjourns meeting]
Summary of resolutions
1. [32]Change "Latest IMSC1 Recommendation" to "Latest IMSC
Recommendation" and point to the rec link in 3 current
documents: 1.0.1 REC, 1.1 REC and 1.2 CR
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