Re: Future of WebVTT

It looks like Thierry missed your entry in the participants list. All looks
good there.

The main thing  you should do to participate is to call into the weekly
calls, at least on an occasional basis, so that we can keep up to date and
know that something is happening with VTT, which has not been the case
hitherto.

G.

On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 5:18 AM Gary Katsevman <me@gkatsev.com> wrote:

> When logging on to that page, I see myself listed there. I thought I
> applied and was granted Invited Expert status back in September.
> Was there anything else to do?
>
> Thanks,
> --Gary.
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 18, 2018 at 3:34 PM Silvia Pfeiffer <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> May I recommend inviting him as an expert? Would that resolve the issue?
>> Thanks,
>> Silvia.
>> On Sun, Nov 18, 2018 at 9:27 PM Thierry MICHEL <tmichel@w3.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Silvia,
>> >
>> > The TTWG participants are listed here:
>> >
>> > https://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=34314
>> >
>> > As you can see that Gary is not a TTWG participant
>> >
>> > Best,
>> >
>> > Thierry
>> >
>> >
>> > On 17/11/2018 21:08, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Thierry,
>> > I was under the impression that Gary was an invited expert in the TTWG
>> and this able to take over. Could you please check?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Silvia.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sat., 17 Nov. 2018, 6:47 pm Thierry MICHEL <tmichel@w3.org wrote:
>> >>
>> >> David,
>> >>
>> >> If we let it lie there are poor chances it will stand up ;-)
>> >>
>> >> But if that is the plan let's go for it.
>> >>
>> >> Thierry.
>> >>
>> >> On 16/11/2018 20:02, David Singer wrote:
>> >>
>> >> what PLH and I agreed was that we’d let the situation lie until the
>> re-charter. If Gary produces the materials, we can help steer it through
>> (and maybe he’d join).
>> >>
>> >> On Nov 16, 2018, at 10:58 , Thierry MICHEL <tmichel@w3.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> David,
>> >>
>> >> Without you and Sylvia, there is none left in the TTWG to work on
>> WebVTT.
>> >> Gary isn't a TTWG participant.
>> >>
>> >> With regards to this configuration, I don't see how we could achieve
>> to exit CR.
>> >>
>> >> Probably  the best is to publish a Working Group Note as you had
>> proposed earlier.
>> >>
>> >> Thierry
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 16/11/2018 18:17, David Singer wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi
>> >>
>> >> Gary, the new editor, has an idea of how to show we have
>> implementation and interop.  He’s aware of the need to do that before the
>> re-charter happens. At TPAC I effectively stepped away; PLH asked me to
>> stay as nominal co-chair until the re-charter but I can no longer give this
>> even the minimal attention I was giving it.
>> >>
>> >> I’m wishing Gary the best of luck, asking my colleagues to help him as
>> much as they can (and other implementers)…
>> >>
>> >> Silvia also can no longer give this the degree of attention she was
>> giving it (she’s in a startup in a different field).
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Nov 16, 2018, at 8:31 , Thierry MICHEL <tmichel@w3.org>
>> >>  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> David,  Sylvia,
>> >>
>> >> WebVTT was published as a Candidate Recommendation on 10 May 2018.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> https://www.w3.org/TR/2018/CR-webvtt1-20180510/
>> >>
>> >> In order to exit CR, the TTWG needs to demonstrate implementation
>> experience according the the WebVTT exit criteria.
>> >>
>> >> Recently David sent an email saying that "there is no-one who is
>> willing to do the work to document VTT interoperability and the CR exit
>> criteria, and that we might still have trouble proving implementability of
>> every feature." He also added "we should not prolong the fiction that we’ll
>> emerge from CR into Rec status, but instead do what the process requires,
>> publish the CR as a WG note, and also keep the CG alive to keep the living
>> standard."
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2018Oct/0047.html
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Sylvia seems to say that there is a certain level of implementation of
>> the WebVTT features and their interoperability based on the Web Platform
>> Tests (WPT).
>> >>
>> >> Therefore we need to discus this and evaluate there is a path to move
>> forward.
>> >>
>> >> The TTWG is considering rechartering its Charter by May 2019 for new
>> deliverable.
>> >>
>> >> My management told me that if WebVTT could not exit CR by May 2019, it
>> is unlikely it will make it into the next Charter.
>> >>
>> >> Therefore David and Sylvia, could you please join the next TTWG
>> Thursday meeting,  to discuss this issue ?
>> >>
>> >> - How complete is the WebVTT test suite ?
>> >> - What is the current level of WebVTT implementation?
>> >> - Who will do the work to document WebVTT interoperability and the CR
>> exit criteria
>> >>
>> >> Looking forward to talk to you during a next meeting,
>> >>
>> >> Thierry.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> David Singer
>> >> Manager, Software Standards, Apple Inc.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> David Singer
>> >> Manager, Software Standards, Apple Inc.
>> >>
>>
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