- From: Nigel Megitt <nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk>
- Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2018 19:23:08 +0000
- To: "public-tt@w3.org" <public-tt@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <D78FB01A.643D0%nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk>
This meeting is scheduled for up to 120 minutes.
Please be ready for a prompt start at 14:03am UTC time.
Our teleconference is scheduled with reference to UTC Time, the correct time of this teleconference in your locale may change.
Check https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20180809T14&p1=1440
Thursdays 14:03am-16:00pm UTC
Joining details:
see https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-tt/2016Oct/0009.html
(members-only link – if you can't see this and wish to join please contact me)
I have attempted to send an invitation to this meeting from my calendar, but I fear the attachment was stripped by the W3 mail server, since it is not in the archive.
Agenda+ Assign Roles
Chairs: Nigel Megitt
Scribe: usually Nigel – open to offers!
Regrets:
Activity since last meeting:
See individual agenda items for recent activity on specific products
Cross-product TTWG board: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/board/
We are still using tracker for actions unrelated to issues.
Please do not add or modify issues in tracker!
IMSC: https://github.com/w3c/imsc/pulse
TTML1: https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pulse
TTML2: https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pulse
TTML Profile Registry: https://github.com/w3c/tt-profile-registry/pulse
TTML-WebVTT mapping: https://github.com/w3c/ttml-webvtt-mapping/pulse
WebVTT: https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/pulse
Agenda+ Prioritise discussion for this meeting and look ahead
Check-point for order of topics – I'd suggest, subject to reordering:
1. Prioritise discussion for this meeting and look ahead
2. TTML1 Actions, Pull Requests and Issues
3. TTML2 Actions, Pull Requests and Issues
4. IMSC Actions, Pull Requests and Issues
5. IMSC vNext requirements Actions, Pull Requests and Issues
6. CSS Actions Review
7. TTML Profile Registry Actions, Pull Requests and Issues
8. WebVTT (David Singer to Chair if present)
9. AOB – please notify of any other AOB now!
Reminder re future milestones and meetings:
August meetings:
Thursday 16th August: No TTWG meeting
Thursday 23rd August: No TTWG meeting
Thursday 30th August: TTWG meeting 2 Hour(s)
IMSC 1.1 and TTML publication events: see https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/specs-timeline.html
Further ahead:
Thursday 6th September: TTWG meeting 2 Hour(s)
Thursday 13th September: TTWG meeting 2 Hour(s)
Thursday 20th September: TTWG meeting 2 Hour(s)
Thursday 27th September: TTWG meeting 2 Hour(s)
Next planned face to face: TPAC 2018 Lyon<https://www.w3.org/2018/10/TPAC/Overview.html>, 22-26 October.
Future DST date changes: https://www.timeanddate.com/time/dst/2018.html
In particular, this year, given our current attendance, the next change is:
Europe changes on Sunday 28 October
USA changes on Sunday 4 November
Philippines, Japan and China has no DST in 2018
We agreed to cancel our meeting on 1st November, the week immediately after TPAC, for convenience and due to regrets.
For meetings beginning 8th November we will move to UTC 1500 which is the same time as usual when not in DST.
Agenda+ TTML1 Actions, Pull Requests and Issues
Actions
No actions due in tracker.
Next steps to complete the TTML1 3rd Ed implementation report?
https://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML1-3ED_implementation_report
Recent Activity
Hopefully CR2 will have been published by the time of the meeting, all being well.
Proposed timeline for publication: https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/specs-timeline.html
TTML1 3rd Edition CR was published on 24th April at https://www.w3.org/TR/2018/CR-ttml1-20180424/ (and pointed to by https://www.w3.org/TR/ttml1/ also).
No pull requests merged or issues closed.
Pull Requests To Review (if discussion requested)
No pull requests opened this week.
Two pull requests open for longer:
Proposed #353 Move edition number to subtitle (#352)<https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pull/353>
Proposed #357 TTML1 3ED CR2<https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pull/357>
New (and old) Issues to Discuss
2 Issues created by 1 person
Opened #360 Change resolved computed value to used value<https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/issues/360>
Opened #359 Error in the substantive change list<https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/issues/359>
(Plus unresolved issues with ongoing conversations, to be confirmed.)
No issues or pull requests marked for the agenda
Links
TTML1 issues and pull requests labelled for the agenda: https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/labels/agenda
TTML1 issues blocked: https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/labels/blocked
Current open issues: https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/issues
Most recent TTML1 3rd Edition CR: https://www.w3.org/TR/2018/CR-ttml1-20180424/
TTML1 Tests repo: https://github.com/w3c/ttml1-tests
Agenda+ TTML2 Actions, Pull Requests and Issues
Actions
ID State Title Person Due Date Associated with
ACTION-443<https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/443>[(edit)]<https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/443/edit> open Prepare a document showing mapping arib ruby extension features to ttml2 for use as a liaison document to arib.<https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/443> Glenn Adams 2018-08-09 TTML2<https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/products/4>
What needs to be done to complete the TTML2 implementation report?
https://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/TTML2ImplementationReport
Recent Activity
TTML2 CR3 Call for Consensus ended 7th August with no objections; request for transition to be sent by Thierry.
Proposed timeline for publication: https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/specs-timeline.html
13 Pull requests merged by 1 person
Merged #971 Update changes for recent merges; create CR3 publishing package.<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/971>
Merged #968 Clarify inheritance of font size by ruby text containers and ruby tex…<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/968>
Merged #964 Fix animation element's content model in schemas (#963).<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/964>
Merged #960 Change resolved computed value to used value (#959).<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/960>
Merged #956 Widen data type for tta:{gain,pan} (#955).<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/956>
Merged #966 Update dates (#965).<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/966>
Merged #958 Make special inheritance semantics for 'normal' normative (#946).<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/958>
Merged #957 Fix typos (#938).<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/957>
Merged #954 Fix typo (#947).<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/954>
Merged #953 The style attribute does not apply to animate or set (#952).<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/953>
Merged #951 Fix typos (#948).<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/951>
Merged #942 Ensure audio styles are defined on style element (#941).<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/942>
Merged #940 Fix <pitch> syntax (#939).<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/940>
19 Issues closed by 2 people
Closed #945 Remove application of tts:rubyPosition to ruby annotation text.<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/945>
Closed #950 The set element is included in [resolve computed styles].<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/950>
Closed #972 Property tts:origin permits rw/rh but #origin is defined per TTML1.<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/972>
Closed #967 Special inheritance rule of font size for ruby text content is contradictory.<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/967>
Closed #961 Remove xml:base and @condition from chunk.<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/961>
Closed #963 Fix animation element content type in schemas.<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/963>
Closed #959 Change "resolved computed value" to "used value".<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/959>
Closed #955 Widen schema type for tta:{gain,pan}.<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/955>
Closed #965 Update dates for CR3 per agreed schedule.<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/965>
Closed #946 Make tts:lineHeight special inheritance semantics normative.<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/946>
Closed #938 Fix typos.<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/938>
Closed #947 Typo in ttp:inferProcessorProfileSource value.<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/947>
Closed #952 The style attribute is not defined for animate/set.<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/952>
Closed #948 Fix typo<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/948>
Closed #941 Add audio styles to style element in schemas.<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/941>
Closed #939 Fix <pitch> syntax.<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/939>
Closed #943 Improve interoperability of non-negative-real and xs:decimal.<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/943>
Closed #858 Does half-leading apply to a line-area?<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/858>
Closed #859 Can line areas intersect with line stacking strategy "line height"?<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/859>
Pull Requests open for review (to discuss if requested):
No pull requests open.
New (and old) Issues and Pull Requests to discuss:
(Plus unresolved issues with ongoing conversations, to be confirmed.)
TTML2 issues and pull requests labelled for the agenda: https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/labels/agenda
4 Issues created by 1 person
Opened #974 Widen schema data type for `tts:opacity` to avoid false negative schema errors.<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/974>
Opened #973 Clarify that #length-root-container-relative applies to all <length> expressions.<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/973>
Opened #970 Fix typos.<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/970>
Opened #969 Add reference to ttp:profile attribute in 5.2.1.<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/969>
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There is currently one Issue labelled for the Agenda:
Clarify that #length-root-container-relative applies to all <length> expressions. <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/973> Agenda<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues?q=is%3Aopen+label%3Aagenda>editorial<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues?q=is%3Aopen+label%3Aeditorial>
Links
Most recent CR published at https://www.w3.org/TR/2018/CR-ttml2-20180313/
Current ED available at https://w3c.github.io/ttml2/
Current open issues: https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues
See spreadsheet of editorial actions at https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/blob/master/spec/ednotes.xlsx
Edit/build instructions now in README in ttml2/spec/ at https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/blob/master/spec/README.md
Agenda+ IMSC Actions, Pull Requests and Issues
Actions
None in tracker.
What is the status of the implementation report and test suite?
Recent Activity
IMSC 1.1 CR2 was published on 26th July at https://www.w3.org/TR/2018/CR-ttml-imsc1.1-20180726/
Proposed timeline for publication: https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/specs-timeline.html
1 Release published by 1 person
Published imsc1.1-CR-20180726
1 Pull request merged by 1 person
Merged #415 IMSC 1.1 CR2<https://github.com/w3c/imsc/pull/415>
1 Issue closed by 1 person
Closed #414 Update SOTD for CR2<https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/414>
Pull Requests To Review (if discussion requested)
No pull requests opened this week.
One pull request open for more than a week:
Proposed #379 General update<https://github.com/w3c/imsc/pull/379>
New (and old) Issues to Discuss
No issues opened this week.
No issues or pull requests currently labelled as agenda.
Links
IMSC issues and pull requests labelled for the agenda: https://github.com/w3c/imsc/labels/agenda :
IMSC issues blocked: https://github.com/w3c/imsc/labels/blocked
IMSC 1.0.1
Editor's draft is directly viewable at http://w3c.github.io/imsc/imsc1/spec/ttml-ww-profiles.html
IMSC 1.0.1 Rec published at https://www.w3.org/TR/2018/REC-ttml-imsc1.0.1-20180424/
IMSC 1 Rec available at https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/REC-ttml-imsc1-20160421/ - we have resolved to supersede this in favour of 1.0.1
IMSC 1.1 CR2 published at https://www.w3.org/TR/2018/CR-ttml-imsc1.1-20180726/
Patent policy call for exclusions sent 2017-02-03, archived at https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2017Feb/0006.html
IMSC Implementation Page: https://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText/IMSC1_implementation_page.
IMSC Tests repository: https://github.com/w3c/imsc-tests
IMSC 1.1 FPWD: https://www.w3.org/TR/2017/WD-ttml-imsc1.1-20171017/
Unicode CLDR discussion
Unicode ticket is at http://unicode.org/cldr/trac/ticket/8915
Pierre's response to the recent update is at http://unicode.org/cldr/trac/ticket/8915#comment:9
Email response from Shervin at Unicode https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2016Dec/0018.html
Agenda+ IMSC vNext Requirements
Links
IMSCvNext Requirements editor's draft: https://w3c.github.io/imsc-vnext-reqs/
IMSCvNext Requirements repository: https://github.com/w3c/imsc-vnext-reqs
Recent Activity
No pull requests merged or issues closed this week.
Pull requests for review (to discuss if requested)
No pull requests currently open.
No issues created this week.
RESOLUTION: After resolving the open issues marked as IMSC1.1, publish the IMSC 1.1 Requirements as a Working Group Note
Review period for this resolution is currently open, until 9th August.
Allow for publication of spec without rw/rh <https://github.com/w3c/imsc-vnext-reqs/issues/37> IMSC1.1<https://github.com/w3c/imsc-vnext-reqs/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3AIMSC1.1>
Remove editorial notes <https://github.com/w3c/imsc-vnext-reqs/issues/38> IMSC1.1<https://github.com/w3c/imsc-vnext-reqs/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3AIMSC1.1>
No issues or pull requests currently marked for the agenda.
Links
IMSC Requirements issues labelled for the agenda: https://github.com/w3c/imsc-vnext-reqs/labels/agenda :
IMSC Requirements issues blocked: https://github.com/w3c/imsc-vnext-reqs/labels/blocked
Agenda+ CSS actions review
For reference, we have the following CSS issues open:
[css-sizing][css-align][css-text] Aligning an aligned block of text within its container <https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/1975> TTML<https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+ttml+label%3ATTML>css-align-4<https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+ttml+label%3Acss-align-4> css-sizing-4<https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+ttml+label%3Acss-sizing-4> css-text-4<https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+ttml+label%3Acss-text-4>
[css-inline] Allow background of an inline area to extend to before-and after-edges of the line area <https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/1974> TTML<https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+ttml+label%3ATTML> css-inline-3<https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+ttml+label%3Acss-inline-3>
[css-inline][css-text-4] Allow padding to be applied at line start and end <https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/1973> TTML<https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+ttml+label%3ATTML> css-inline-3<https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+ttml+label%3Acss-inline-3>css-text-4<https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+ttml+label%3Acss-text-4>
#2983 Support for shearing of lines and inline elements<https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/2983>
Additionally the following CSS issues may be of interest:
[css-fonts-4] oblique angle for synthesis in vertical text <https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/2869> css-fonts-4<https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues?q=is%3Aopen+label%3Acss-fonts-4>
Are CSS issues filed for all style attributes for which we believe CSS work is needed?
See also https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2017Nov/0109.html
CSS WG review
Minutes from TTWG and CSS WG joint meeting at TPAC: https://www.w3.org/2017/11/09-tt-minutes.html#item35
Minutes from CSS WG Paris F2F that Nigel attended remotely on Friday 4th August: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2017Sep/0000.html
This is at https://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/CSSRequirements
TAG design review issue: https://github.com/w3ctag/design-reviews/issues/138
CSS Review of TTML2, threads: FW: TTML2 horizontal review with CSS<https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2016Dec/0013.html> and Fwd: Subtitle/caption styling + TTML + CSS<https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2016Dec/0019.html>
CSS 2.2 request for reviews from TTWG et al: Pre-announcement of CR for CSS 2.2 & request for reviews<https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2016Dec/0017.html> When can we schedule a review and gather feedback?
Agenda+ TTML Profile Registry
Links
TTML Profile Registry editor's draft: https://w3c.github.io/tt-profile-registry/
TTML Profile Registry repository: https://github.com/w3c/tt-profile-registry
Recent Activity
No pull requests merged or issues closed.
Pull requests for review (to discuss if requested)
No pull requests currently open.
One pull request opened for longer than a week:
Add support for IMSC 1.1 Text and Image Profile <https://github.com/w3c/tt-profile-registry/pull/36> enhancement<https://github.com/w3c/tt-profile-registry/issues?q=is%3Apr+is%3Aopen+label%3Aenhancement>
No issues created this week.
No issues or pull requests currently marked for the agenda.
Links
TTML Profile Registry issues labelled for the agenda: https://github.com/w3c/tt-profile-registry/labels/agenda :
Agenda+ WebVTT
Actions
None in tracker
Links
WebVTT Wide review wiki page: https://www.w3.org/wiki/WebVTT_Wide_Review
Activity
No pull requests proposed or closed this week.
5 pull requests open for longer than a week:
Proposed #439 Fix some links from the linkchecker and the broken process document link<https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/pull/439>
Proposed #430 Fontsize changes<https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/pull/430>
Proposed #434 Add a definition of "video viewport" and how it relates in HTML5 to object size resolution.<https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/pull/434>
Proposed #438 Update CLA and License agreement<https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/pull/438>
Proposed #419Timeranges<https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/pull/419>
No other issues created this week.
Agenda+ AOB
References
Wiki http://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText
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