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Re: {agenda} TTWG Meeting 2017-07-06

From: Dae Kim <dakim@netflix.com>
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2017 13:55:43 -0700
Message-ID: <CA+t+Ut81pjkQkGv4F38wWYpa0EnoTWXEs+50Fuy15jkaQxpwxg@mail.gmail.com>
To: Nigel Megitt <nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk>
Cc: "public-tt@w3.org" <public-tt@w3.org>
Can we start with the WR status of TTML2?
I believe we're ready but did not see any announcements.

-Dae

*Dae Kim | Senior Video Engineer | Encoding Technology*
*9420 94f4 a834 b038 2920 34b3 38ad b632 3738 942c 942f*

On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 9:48 AM, Nigel Megitt <nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk> wrote:

> *This meeting is scheduled for up to 120m. Please be ready for a prompt
> start at 10:03am Boston time. *
>
> Our teleconference is scheduled with reference to Boston Time, the correct
> time of this teleconference in your locale may change.
>
> Check https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?
> iso=20170706T10&p1=43
>
> Thursdays 10:03am-12:00pm Boston local
>
> *Joining details: *
>
> see https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-tt/2016Oct/0009.html
> (members-only link – if you can't see this and wish to join please contact
> me)
>
> *Agenda+ Assign Roles*
>
> *Chairs: *Nigel Megitt
>
> *Scribe:* usually Nigel – open to offers!
>
> *Regrets: *Andreas
>
> *Activity since last meeting:*
> See individual agenda items for recent activity on specific products
>
> Cross-product TTWG board: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/board/
>
> *We are still using tracker for actions unrelated to issues.*
> *Please do not add or modify issues in tracker!*
>
>
> IMSC: https://github.com/w3c/imsc/pulse
> TTML1: https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pulse
> TTML2: https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pulse
> TTML Profile Registry: https://github.com/w3c/tt-profile-registry/pulse
> TTML-WebVTT mapping: https://github.com/w3c/ttml-webvtt-mapping/pulse
>
> WebVTT: https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/pulse
>
> *Agenda+ Prioritise discussion for this meeting and look ahead*
>
> Check-point for order of topics – I'd suggest, subject to reordering:
> 1. TPAC advanced planning
> 2. IMSC
> 3. TTML issue assignment and progress tracking
> 4. TTML1 & TTML2 issues, actions, PRs, editorial actions etc
> 5. WebVTT feedback (David Singer to Chair if present)
> 6. HDR in PNG
> 7. Progress on HTMLCue proposal (placeholder)
> 8. AOB – please notify of any other AOB now!
>
>
>
> Reminder re future milestones and meetings:
>
> *July Meetings:*
>
> Thursday 13th July: TTWG phone meeting 2 Hour(s)
> Thursday 20th July: TTWG phone meeting 2 Hour(s)
> Thursday 27th July: TTWG phone meeting 2 Hour(s)
>
> *Further ahead:*
>
> Thursday 3rd August: TTWG phone meeting ? Hour(s)
> Thursday 10th August: TTWG phone meeting ? Hour(s)
> Thursday 17th August: TTWG phone meeting ? Hour(s) - NM away
> Thursday 24th August: TTWG phone meeting ? Hour(s) - NM away
> Thursday 31st August: TTWG phone meeting ? Hour(s)
>
>
> *IMSC 2 and TTML2 publication events:* see the timeline of upcoming work
> at *https://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText/Publications#Timeline_of_TTML2_and_IMSC2_work
> <https://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText/Publications#Timeline_of_TTML2_and_IMSC2_work> *
>
>
> *Agenda+ TPAC 2017 Advanced planning*
>
> As Chair I have completed the WBS survey, requesting:
>
> Attendance for ~10 people.
> No preference for date, meet on any two days.
> Flexible about days.
> Joint meeting with CSS WG and with Web and TV IG.
> Avoid overlap with Web and TV IG.
> Permit observers.
> Not member confidential.
> Estimate ~6 attending technical plenary.
> Estimate ~3 attending AC sessions Tuesday and Thursday.
>
> https://www.w3.org/2017/11/TPAC/Overview.html
>
> Chair was asked for further clarification about the joint meetings and the
> overlap avoidance; since Web and TV IG are likely to meet on the Monday,
> and CSSWG on the Monday and Tuesday, I requested Thursday and Friday for
> the main TTWG meetings with joint agenda slots with the other two groups on
> Monday and/or Tuesday.
>
> ID State Title Person Due Date Associated with
> ACTION-497 <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/497>[image:
> (edit)] <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/497/edit> open Invite
> csswg to joint meeting at tpac 2017, with list of topics.
> <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/497> Nigel Megitt
> 2017-06-15
> *Collate list of the issues we want to open with CSS WG*
>
> We need to put this together as part of the agenda for a request to meet
> at TPAC.
>
>
> *Agenda+ IMSC (now incorporates Unicode ticket)*
>
> *IMSC1.0.1 Internationalisation issues* (if Richard and/or Addison are
> able to attend)
>
> *Progress on publication of IMSC 1.0.1 CR*
>
> The transition request has been made with a request to proceed without a
> Director's call. However the team and Director has not managed to process
> this in time for publication on July 6th as requested.
>
>
> IMSC 1.0.1 WD for Wide Review published at https://www.w3.org/TR/ttml-
> imsc1.0.1/
> IMSC 1 Rec available at https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/
> REC-ttml-imsc1-20160421/
> Patent policy call for exclusions sent 2017-02-03, archived at
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2017Feb/0006.html
>
> Editor's draft is directly viewable at http://w3c.github.io/imsc/
> imsc1/spec/ttml-ww-profiles.html
> IMSC Implementation Page: https://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText/IMSC1_
> implementation_page.
> IMSC Tests repository: https://github.com/w3c/imsc-tests
>
> *Unicode CLDR discussion*
> Unicode ticket is at http://unicode.org/cldr/trac/ticket/8915
> Pierre's response to the recent update is at http://unicode.org/cldr/
> trac/ticket/8915#comment:9
> Email response from Shervin at Unicode https://lists.w3.org/
> Archives/Public/public-tt/2016Dec/0018.html
>
> Merged IMSC pull requests: None
>
> Open IMSC pull requests: None
>
> New or discussed IMSC issues: None
>
> Closed IMSC issues:
>
> Should the character sets be minimum *font* requirements?
> <https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/236>
>
> Prepare CR draft <https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/244>
>
> ittp:activeArea clarification <https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/227>
>
> Determination of the color in leading in tts:fillLineGap
> <https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/228>
>
> Publish CR <https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/248>
>
> Merged IMSC Tests pull requests: None
>
> Open IMSC Tests pull requests: None
>
> New or discussed IMSC Tests issues:
>
> Text does not overflow in WrapOption00X.ttml
> <https://github.com/w3c/imsc-tests/issues/22>
>
> Closed IMSC Tests issues: None
>
>
> *Agenda+ TTML issue assignment and progress tracking (20 minutes maximum)*
>
> We have now published the WD for WR however there are still many issues
> open, and we intend also to apply multiple fixes as already agreed for
> TTML1.
>
> At the moment of writing this agenda, there are:
>
> TTML1 issues:
>
>    - 28 open issues with no milestone, 1 (#199) marked as discussed and
>    agreed
>    - 48 open issues in "3rd Ed" milestone, 14 marked as discussed and
>    agreed
>
> TTML2 issues:
>
>    - 1 open issues on the Editor's WR Work List milestone, of which 1 is
>    not labelled as "PR Open";
>    - 50 open issues with no milestone, all of which have no PR, and
>    - 7 open issues awaiting some feedback on disposition, which are in
>    the "Group's WR action required list" milestone, including #316 which is to
>    review the deprecations before finalising the WR.
>
>
> *Agenda+ TTML1 & TTML2 issues, actions, PRs, editorial actions etc*
>
> Horizontal Review:
>
> CSS Review of TTML2, threads: FW: TTML2 horizontal review with CSS
> <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2016Dec/0013.html> and Fwd:
> Subtitle/caption styling + TTML + CSS
> <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2016Dec/0019.html>
>
> Internationalisation review by r12a has generated several new issues on
> TTML2 and comments on existing issues (see below), this week mainly about
> alignment with relatively recent CSS developments.
>
> CSS 2.2 request for reviews from TTWG et al: Pre-announcement of CR for
> CSS 2.2 & request for reviews
> <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2016Dec/0017.html> When
> can we schedule a review and gather feedback?
>
> Actions:
> ID State Title Person Due Date Associated with
> ACTION-443 <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/443>[image:
> (edit)] <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/443/edit> open Prepare
> a document showing mapping arib ruby extension features to ttml2 for use as
> a liaison document to arib.
> <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/443> Glenn Adams
> 2016-08-26 TTML2 <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/products/4>
> ACTION-462 <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/462>[image:
> (edit)] <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/462/edit> open Create
> issue on ttml2 to add "mapping from other versions and profiles of ttml"
> <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/462> Glenn Adams
> 2016-04-28 TTML2 <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/products/4>
>
> Most recent WD published at https://www.w3.org/TR/2017/WD-ttml2-20170106/
>
> Merged TTML1 Pull Requests: None
> Merged TTML2 Pull Requests:
>
> Add audio related features (#195). <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/396>
>
> Open TTML1 Pull Requests: None
>
> Open TTML2 Pull Requests: None
>
> New TTML1 Issues: None
>
> New TTML2 Issues: None
>
> Closed TTML1 Issues: None
> Closed TTML2 Issues:
>
> Add support for Audio Description requirements
> <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/195>
>
> Discussed TTML1 Issues: None
> Discussed TTML2 Issues: None
>
> Questions about ttp:mediaOffset <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/323>
>
>
> *Focus topic(s) for this week*
>
> What should we focus on next while TTML2 is in WR – TTML1 3rd Ed?
>
> *Issues*
>
> *Iterate through open issues with no PR* – decide action to take on each,
> e.g. defer to CR, defer to TTML.next, close etc.
>
> If there are any issues that we decide need to be resolved before WR *a
> proposal for the fix* is needed ASAP (basically, it's too late already
> unless it can easily be agreed by the group).
>
>
> Current open issues: https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/issues and https://
> github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues
> See spreadsheet of editorial actions at https://github.com/w3c/
> ttml2/blob/master/spec/ednotes.xlsx
> Edit/build instructions now in README in ttml2/spec/ at
> https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/blob/master/spec/README.md
>
>
> *Agenda+ WebVTT review feedback*
>
> ID State Title Person Due Date Associated with
> ACTION-396 <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/396>[image:
> (edit)] <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/396/edit> open Produce
> evidence of request for wide review for webvtt, for the archive
> <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/396> David Singer
> 2015-04-17 WebVTT 1.0
> <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/products/8>
> *Discussion on WebVTT review feedback and next steps.*
>
> What are the WG's views on the dispositions generated by the CG?
>
> *Resolve to publish a new WD? (not strictly necessary)*
>
> WebVTT Wide review wiki page: https://www.w3.org/wiki/WebVTT_Wide_Review
>
> Open Pull requests:
>
> Prepare a new WD. <https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/pull/351>
>
> Merged Pull requests: None
>
> New issues: None
> Closed issues: None
>
> Recently discussed issues:
>
> Prepare a new WD. <https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/pull/351>
>
>
>
> *Agenda+ HDR in PNG*
>
> Repo for PQ HDR in PNG: https://github.com/w3c/png-hdr-pq
> Draft WG Note: https://w3c.github.io/png-hdr-pq/
>
> Merged pull requests: none
>
> Open pull requests:
>
> Clarifies fallback strategy and editorial clean-up
> <https://github.com/w3c/png-hdr-pq/pull/4>
>
> New or discussed issues:
>
> Clarifies fallback strategy and editorial clean-up
> <https://github.com/w3c/png-hdr-pq/pull/4>
>
> Closed issues: None
>
> Note that there has been some positive feedback about the direction of
> this recently.
>
> *Agenda+ **HTMLCue proposal progress update.*
>
> ID State Title Person Due Date Associated with
> ACTION-441 <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/441>[image:
> (edit)] <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/441/edit> open Kick
> off the analysis work on the vttcue carrying html idea.
> <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/441> Andreas Tai
> 2015-11-05
>
> See https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2016Apr/0012.html for
> further information on this, this week.
>
> Also HTML import and HTMLCue?
> <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2016Sep/0003.html> email
> from 2016-09-06.
>
> [placeholder agenda item]
>
>
> *Agenda+ AOB*
>
> *References*
>
> Wiki http://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText
>
>
>
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