- From: Nigel Megitt <nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk>
- Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 16:31:18 +0000
- To: Timed Text Working Group <public-tt@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <D102850C.1AFCC%nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk>
Thanks to all who attended today's meeting. Minutes can be found in HTML format at http://www.w3.org/2015/02/12-tt-minutes.html
Please note that we have confirmed in all but the final details that we will hold our next face to face meeting, focused mainly on the topics of IMSC 1 and TTML2, in Las Vegas on April 9th and 10th – details to come later today.
Text format minutes:
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
Timed Text Working Group Teleconference
12 Feb 2015
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2015/02/12-tt-irc
Attendees
Present
nigel, jdsmith, glenn, tmichel
Regrets
frans, pal
Chair
nigel
Scribe
nigel
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]This meeting
2. [5]Action Items
3. [6]F2F
4. [7]Change Proposals
5. [8]Issues
* [9]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 12 February 2015
<scribe> scribeNick: nigel
This meeting
nigel: summarises agenda. AOB?
group: no AOB
nigel: Since we're around a week later than previously expected
in publishing the TTML2 FPWD
... I've dropped the dates back by a week on the publication
timeline.
glenn: Realistically I don't think we'll hit the 5th March date
for any additional edits deferred from
... the FPWD.
nigel: Okay, the current timeline is "at risk" right now for
resourcing reasons.
tmichel: The FPWD should be published later today. The document
has been redated to Feb 12.
... Other than that it's the same. Unfortunately, next time we
have to send to the webmaster we
... have to send it 3 days in advance. On the day is too late.
Action Items
nigel: I'll come back to Action-369 later because it's really
about issues.
action-370?
<trackbot> action-370 -- Nigel Megitt to Send dece liaison
asking for imsc 1 test criteria -- due 2015-02-12 --
PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[10]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/370
[10] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/370
action-370: Mike has responded and included the requested
material.
<trackbot> Notes added to action-370 Send dece liaison asking
for imsc 1 test criteria.
close action-370
<trackbot> Closed action-370.
<scribe> ACTION: pal Consider how to process and make available
the DECE test criteria provided [recorded in
[11]http://www.w3.org/2015/02/12-tt-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-373 - Consider how to process and
make available the dece test criteria provided [on
Pierre-Anthony Lemieux - due 2015-02-19].
action-371?
<trackbot> action-371 -- Nigel Megitt to Create a meeting page
on the wiki for the f2f -- due 2015-02-12 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[12]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/371
[12] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/371
nigel: Thierry kindly did this. The page is at
[13]https://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText/F2F-april-2015
[13] https://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText/F2F-april-2015
close action-371
<trackbot> Closed action-371.
action-372?
<trackbot> action-372 -- Nigel Megitt to Review requirements
conformance in Annex L of TTML2 -- due 2015-02-17 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[14]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/372
[14] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/372
nigel: I raised this in the week because I noticed that Annex L
needs to be updated. I've done
... a first pass analysis but not sure where to take it from
there - anyone else want to take it on?
glenn: Thanks for doing that - it looks good at a high level.
When I get to the point of doing the
... update I'll focus on the current analysis and comment at
that time if there's any difference of
... opinion.
close action-372
<trackbot> Closed action-372.
nigel: I've just raised issue-370 to implement the changes
indicated by the analysis in Action-372.
reopen issue-370
<trackbot> Re-opened issue-370.
nigel: Related to this is Issue-369 which also includes an edit
to that section
issue-369?
<trackbot> issue-369 -- The R### numbers in Annex L are not all
correct -- raised
<trackbot>
[15]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/369
[15] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/369
reopen issue-369
<trackbot> Re-opened issue-369.
F2F
glenn: I've got a proposal for Harrah's on the 9th and 10th
which I think will be okay, and am
... getting an alternate quote. I think we'll succeed in this.
... I'll look to wrap this up by the end of today so we can
confirm.
tmichel: Usually the F2F meeting dates and locations should be
defined 8 weeks in advance.
jdsmith: We're 8 weeks exactly from 9th April today.
tmichel: If someone is unhappy with the schedule they could
veto if there's less than 8 weeks notice.
<scribe> ACTION: glenn confirm F2F location and update wiki and
send details to the reflector. [recorded in
[16]http://www.w3.org/2015/02/12-tt-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-374 - Confirm f2f location and update
wiki and send details to the reflector. [on Glenn Adams - due
2015-02-19].
<inserted> nigel: To meet the 8 week notice period Action-374
needs to be completed today.
Change Proposals
nigel: I just want to note that we had some CPs that were
marked as needing to be done before
... FPWD but they weren't fully completed - however we did
discuss them and considered that
... they were complete enough to proceed with FPWD albeit
requiring further work.
... So I reassigned all of them to Priority 2 instead.
glenn: Fine with me - I was going to suggest the same.
Issues
action-369?
<trackbot> action-369 -- Nigel Megitt to Collate smpte issues
and draft dispositions and circulate on reflector as a
precursor to a liaison -- due 2015-02-05 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[17]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/369
[17] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/369
nigel: Pierre suggested this action. In doing it I had some
queries and also noted that we have
... a clear disposition and completion on the issues for most
of the requests from SMPTE.
... The first query is on Ruby annotations. I'm not clear if
we've fully or only partially met the request.
glenn: I can only assert that I think I've met the
requirements. It's up to the requestor to identify
... if that's not the case.
[18]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2015Feb/0015
.html
[18] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2015Feb/0015.html
glenn: On the Ruby, we do have position before and after, and
also a third option "around", which
... came up when analysing Japanese usage for 2-line captions -
Ruby on 1st line is "before" and
... on 2nd line is "after". I don't know about >2 lines so I
adopted all-but-last line: "before".
... The offset is not constrained to -1em. It could go to
-infinity. So both of those points are met.
nigel: The second query is whether or not mixed
vertical-horizontal progression direction
... requires the use of tts:textOrientation?
glenn: It does not requires the use of tts:textOrientation, but
it may take it into account in
... producing the result.
nigel: So with horizontal in vertical you don't have to fix up
the orientation of the horizontal,
... it happens automatically?
glenn: That's correct.
... There was some discussion about the em square, because the
examples from SMPTE show
... a horizontal segment that extends outside of the bounds of
the line area. I pointed out to Pierre
... that the language re formatting is rather vague and its
implementation dependent how it
... reduces the font size or changes the line height to make it
fit. I'm sure Pierre will want to
... express a view on this at some point.
nigel: Thanks, I think I'm clear on the disposition now.
glenn: Your question is interesting though - let's say that
there's a span with tts:textOrientation of
... sideways and a tts:textCombine, would that say to the
client, "don't attempt to lay it out horizontally"?
... That would sort of counter-act the request for the
textCombine. That's an interesting open
... question - I don't even know if the CSS folks have thought
of that point.
... It wouldn't hurt for us to liaise with them at the right
point, after we've worked out what
... we think it should do on this point. For example, I raised
the Ruby offset property with them
... and they're starting to address that point but they're
doing it in a different way than I would
... have expected. They want to use the relative positioning
mechanism that's already in CSS to
... handle that. I'm leaving ruby offset in as we've specced
it.
nigel: Thanks for that! I don't think we're quorate to close
Pending Review issues now. Anything
... else on the above before I adjourn?
glenn: I think the draft dispositions is good as it will help
us respond.
nigel: Team effort - Pierre suggested it, I did it, you
clarified the answers!
<tmichel> Bye
nigel: Thanks everyone - meet again same time next week.
[adjourns meeting]
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: glenn confirm F2F location and update wiki and
send details to the reflector. [recorded in
[19]http://www.w3.org/2015/02/12-tt-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: pal Consider how to process and make available
the DECE test criteria provided [recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2015/02/12-tt-minutes.html#action01]
[End of minutes]
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