- From: Nigel Megitt <nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk>
- Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 15:03:54 +0000
- To: TTWG <public-tt@w3.org>
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Thanks all for attending today's TTWG meeting. Minutes in HTML format can be found at: http://www.w3.org/2015/04/23-tt-minutes.html
In text format:
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
Timed Text Working Group Teleconference
23 Apr 2015
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2015/04/23-tt-irc
Attendees
Present
Frans, pal, plh, glenn, nigel, Courtney, dsinger
Regrets
tmichel, atai, jdsmith
Chair
nigel
Scribe
nigel
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]Actions
2. [5]WebVTT review feedback
3. [6]TTML2 Editorial actions
* [7]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 23 April 2015
<scribe> scribe: nigel
nigel: Goes through proposed agenda. AOB?
group: No AOB.
nigel: Does anyone have any comments on the F2F minutes?
[8]http://www.w3.org/2015/04/09-tt-minutes.html
[8] http://www.w3.org/2015/04/09-tt-minutes.html
[9]http://www.w3.org/2015/04/10-tt-minutes.html
[9] http://www.w3.org/2015/04/10-tt-minutes.html
pal: I haven't had chance to review them yet.
nigel: Apologies for not getting every whiteboard image in
there - if anyone wants to add an
... image for illustrating a point then do send it to me and I
will add it in.
Actions
action-378?
<trackbot> action-378 -- Pierre-Anthony Lemieux to Draft smpte
request including dispositions from action-369 and
backgroundcolor initial value question -- due 2015-03-05 --
PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[10]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/378
[10] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/378
<glenn> action-399?
<trackbot> action-399 -- Glenn Adams to Review disposition text
for inline space/ipd for smpte -- due 2015-04-23 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[11]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/399
[11] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/399
nigel: This is pending action-399
[12]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2015Apr/0045
.html
[12] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2015Apr/0045.html
action-399: The text to review can be found by following the
link at
[13]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2015Apr/0045
.html
[13] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2015Apr/0045.html
<trackbot> Notes added to action-399 Review disposition text
for inline space/ipd for smpte.
glenn: I'll take a quick look at that now.
... I'll comment that it would be useful to comment that in
horizontal mode ipd means width and in
... vertical mode it means height. Otherwise it's okay.
nigel: Looks like there's some editorial work to do to close
off Action-399 and Action-378.
action-390?
<trackbot> action-390 -- Nigel Megitt to Update the
multirowalign and linepadding ttml files to have shorter lines
of text -- due 2015-04-17 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[14]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/390
[14] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/390
action-391?
<trackbot> action-391 -- Nigel Megitt to Update the
multirowalign and linepadding pngs to match the ttml -- due
2015-04-17 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[15]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/391
[15] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/391
nigel: I've had an email from atai on this - he will review
when he returns from vacation.
action-393?
<trackbot> action-393 -- Nigel Megitt to Send pal details of
implementation and tests passed so he can create a table in the
implementation report -- due 2015-04-17 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[16]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/393
[16] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/393
nigel: I've sent the details - I think that pal had a question
for plh?
pal: Yes. Mercurial is good for text files - here there's a
relatively large video file to support the
<plh> media.w3.org
pal: completion of those tests. Can W3C host those? How best to
proceed?
plh: Send me the files or links and I'll upload them to the
dedicated server.
pal: I'll send plh links to the files, and if you send me the
links I'll upload them and send you the links.
nigel: These particular videos happen to be .flv - I'm not sure
why. Is there any problem with that format?
plh: No problem for us to host it, but not all players might be
able to play it back.
nigel: I've played it successfully with VLC and on at least one
browser (can't remember which).
plh: As long as it plays where we want it to play we're good,
as it's just for demonstrating the test suite.
nigel: I see there are open actions from the F2F on glenn,
tmichel, Andreas, Courtney and David Singer.
pal: On Action-378 there's one comment remaining, from nigel.
Can we close that?
nigel: Yes, it used to say that fontVariantPosition does apply
to nested spans, and I thought it did not.
glenn: Logically it should apply - it's used for example in
maths equations.
nigel: I've removed my erroneous addition in the Google doc and
the clarification note.
pal: Now this is ready for the chairs to process.
close action-399
<trackbot> Closed action-399.
close action-378
<trackbot> Closed action-378.
<scribe> ACTION: nigel Send SMPTE dispositions from Action-378
to SMPTE (mdolan) [recorded in
[17]http://www.w3.org/2015/04/23-tt-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-400 - Send smpte dispositions from
action-378 to smpte (mdolan) [on Nigel Megitt - due
2015-04-30].
WebVTT review feedback
dsinger: We've got the preliminary comments from the a11y group
as well as css and i18n and mpeg
... My next step is to move the spreadsheet onto the wiki and
add a column for the final disposition
... and add a trace of all the places I've asked for feedback.
I've asked the WG and the CG to generate
... dispositions on all the ones on the list.
... We need to have a discussion on them all now.
nigel: Some of the dispositions are currently questions. I'm
not sure if they're for us or the commenter.
dsinger: They'll have to get turned into statements otherwise
they're not dispositions. Some of them
... are for us to resolve, others for the commenter.
nigel: I wonder what the minimum width is for 'wide review' -
for example Andreas's good comments
... are from a WG member.
dsinger: There isn't a definition of width here - this is
recognised at AB level. The best evidence for
... review is that the spec has been implemented, so I'd like
the implementors to comment to the list
... that they have done that.
plh: I agree with dsinger that there's no minimum width - the
best we can do is show that we tried to
... get the feedback as well as showing what feedback was
received, and the dispositions.
dsinger: I will document where I asked for feedback.
... Courtney, anything more on TTML WebVTT conversion?
Courtney: I met with Andreas and Loretta last week. We now have
an updated outline for the mapping
... document. We've divided it up between the three of us.
We're hoping to have a first draft to show
... the working group by early July, with the goal of having a
final draft for Sapporo.
dsinger: I'm also aware that Kaltura and an open source project
(TCF) have some work here.
nigel: What's the plan for working with them? We've already
seen some comms with Kaltura.
dsinger: Kaltura don't have time to work with the group - I'm
talking with the TCF group too. I'd like
... to get their review as a minimum, so we're informed by the
practices of implementation.
TTML2 Editorial actions
[18]https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/tip/ttml2/spec/ednotes
.xlsx
[18] https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/tip/ttml2/spec/ednotes.xlsx
nigel: Glenn put together the above spreadsheet and shared it
at the F2F. The idea is to share out
... some of those tasks so that we can get to the next WD of
TTML2. We particularly want to share out
... the editorial and example lines, but if anyone wants to
volunteer for the technical items that's okay too?
glenn: I've no problem with that.
nigel: I sent this out with the agenda - does anyone want first
go at taking some of those tasks?
glenn: If someone wants to volunteer without going to the
trouble of building the spec with ant, etc
... then giving me the content directly would be fine also.
nigel: I've made it work I think, and it was pretty
straightforward, but good to have both options.
... On the "revise system model" do we have an original for
that?
glenn: If we do it would probably be in Visio - I'll look for
it and see if I can find it.
<Dsinger_> It is nice to make pictures svg...they can be
annotated for accessibility
nigel: I'm happy to revise that - is it just a matter of
removing "DFXP" or is there a more fundamental
... change?
glenn: I'll consider that before answering.
nigel: I can also have a go at a bpd and ipd example. Disparity
might be better covered by someone
... with more experience in 3D.
glenn: I need to update the disparity section based on our
resolution to remove the requirement to use
... the conditional mechanism, so there's a few details there
before the example can be completed.
nigel: I think we can base the examples for enhanced padding
and text align on span on the IMSC 1
... linePadding and multiRowAlign examples.
glenn: Yes, very likely though the syntax would differ.
nigel: I'm happy to have a go at those.
... I've already done the work on requirement numbers and
satisfaction so I don't mind doing those
... as well.
... I didn't understand the note on tts:opacity - it says to
show it on content elements.
glenn: In TTML1 opacity only applies to region - for TTML2 we
have introduced the use of opacity on
... content elements, so each time an element gets painted into
the region it gets the alpha value from
... the opacity value applied to it as the index layers of the
region are composited. For example you
... could have different opacity on region, body, div, p and
span and they would all composite with
... different alphas.
... It applies to all of the markings created by the element
including padding, background, borders, text etc.
nigel: Can I ask everyone to have a look at that spreadsheet
and ask any questions or volunteer for
... anything you can do.
... I think we've hit all the topics we can discuss today, so
let's adjourn and meet same time next week. Thank you everyone!
... [adjourns meeting]
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: nigel Send SMPTE dispositions from Action-378 to
SMPTE (mdolan) [recorded in
[19]http://www.w3.org/2015/04/23-tt-minutes.html#action01]
[End of minutes]
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