- From: Glenn Adams <glenn@skynav.com>
- Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 15:46:04 -0600
- To: Nigel Megitt <nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk>
- Cc: Timed Text Working Group <public-tt@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <CACQ=j+cm6bd=UZK3_N2QS6RqSPAgxXsZyxiz1uwBXVe49k4rpw@mail.gmail.com>
On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 9:36 AM, Nigel Megitt <nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk> wrote: > Thanks for all for attending today's meeting. Minutes in HTML format can > be found at http://www.w3.org/2014/10/02-tt-minutes.html > > Minutes in text format: > > [1]W3C > > [1] http://www.w3.org/ > > - DRAFT - > > Timed Text Working Group Teleconference > > 02 Oct 2014 > > See also: [2]IRC log > > [2] http://www.w3.org/2014/10/02-tt-irc > > Attendees > > Present > glenn, courtney, tmichel, pal, nigel, jdsmith > > Regrets > frans_de_jong > > Chair > nigel > > Scribe > nigel > > Contents > > * [3]Topics > 1. [4]This Agenda > 2. [5]Santa Clara F2F TPAC > 3. [6]IMSC 1 WD External liaisons > 4. [7]Action items pending review > 5. [8]Actions overdue > 6. [9]Action items due next week > 7. [10]TTML2 FPWD > 8. [11]Issues Pending Review > * [12]Summary of Action Items > __________________________________________________________ > > <trackbot> Date: 02 October 2014 > > <scribe> scribeNick: nigel > > This Agenda > > nigel: notes that Further Ahead section needs to extend into > November. > > Santa Clara F2F TPAC > > [13]http://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText/tpac2014 > > [13] http://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText/tpac2014 > > nigel: I've updated the wiki page. Please fill in the Attendee > section. > ... For agenda items, please go through me. > > glenn: I expect to have more on TTML2 as I wrap up some more > things. > > nigel: Lists members and observers registered for TPAC. I plan > to allow all observer requests. > > IMSC 1 WD External liaisons > > nigel: I've sent liaisons internally to all the relevant W3C > groups on our charter. > ... I've drafted an external liaison and discussed some edits > with Pierre. The main question is who should we write to. > ... There's a very long list of potential recipients, taking > into account the charter and the liaisons. There are 38 > liaisons including 27 for WAI. > > pal: It would be a useful reference point to consider the wide > review requirement in the 2005 process for LC -> CR. > ... I'm concerned that we could send this to too many groups. > > glenn: I agree that we should only send to those groups that we > can expect a timely response from. > > tmichel: I agree too - the Director will be satisfied if we > only talk to the groups on the charter. > > [14]http://www.w3.org/2001/11/StdLiaison.html > > [14] http://www.w3.org/2001/11/StdLiaison.html > > nigel: I would propose to send to the charter groups and the > liaisons noted as interested in Timed Text and Web and TV. > > pal: I'm concerned about generating too many conversations. > > glenn: DLNA may just come back to me, if at all. HbbTV may be > interested in it though. > ... Remember that we need to demonstrate primarily that there's > been wide review and secondly some technical feedback. > > nigel: I've decided to send to the charter list and the > liaisons listed for Timed Text and Web and TV. > ... Summarises content of note. > > <inserted> pal: the notes above did not capture my input > correctly re: sending an email blast to multiple groups without > a clear knowledge of whether the group is interested (and/or > who the right contact is): (a) it generates work for both TTWG > and the target group with only limited chances of feedback, (b) > many of these groups have members that are already members of > W3C and TTWG and (c) it looks like it is not required from a > process perspective > > Action items pending review > > action-236? > > <trackbot> action-236 -- Glenn Adams to Review consistent use > of "root temporal extent" in both ttml 2 and ttml 1 se -- due > 2014-08-31 -- PENDINGREVIEW > > <trackbot> > [15]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/236 > > [15] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/236 > > nigel: The link doesn't work for me. > > glenn: This is a known issue with the Mercurial server, and > occurs sporadically. > ... I introduced the mediaOffset, however we have some ongoing > discussion on that. > > close action-236 > > <trackbot> Closed action-236. > > glenn: The biggest question for me on this whole topic is: what > is the meaning of BEGIN(document) - is it 0s always or > something else? Nigel's asked that too. > ... I'm still considering this. > ... In other words is BEGIN(document)-ORIGIN(document)=0 in all > cases or is it possibly non-zero in some cases. > > action-286? > > <trackbot> action-286 -- Glenn Adams to Send an email to > public-tt describing the ttv hosting site at w3c -- due > 2014-08-31 -- PENDINGREVIEW > > <trackbot> > [16]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/286 > > [16] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/286 > > close action-286 > > <trackbot> Closed action-286. > > glenn: To get the w3c version back up I need to interact with > some staff - I'm not sure when I can do that. Use the backup > site in the meantime. > > action-287? > > <trackbot> action-287 -- Glenn Adams to Elaborate on wording in > ยง4 on namespace extension in ttml2 and as an errata to ttml1 -- > due 2014-08-31 -- PENDINGREVIEW > > <trackbot> > [17]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/287 > > [17] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/287 > > glenn: I couldn't identify an issue that needed a specific > change here. > ... I reviewed the notes from when this was created. > > close action-287 > > <trackbot> Closed action-287. > > action-320? > > <trackbot> action-320 -- Glenn Adams to Review > [18]https://www.w3.org/wiki/ttml/codecsregistry w.r.t. recent > ttml2 changes in profile definition mechanisms -- due > 2014-08-21 -- PENDINGREVIEW > > [18] https://www.w3.org/wiki/ttml/codecsregistry > > <trackbot> > [19]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/320 > > [19] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/320 > > glenn: I made a minor editorial note to the codecs registry > page. I'd note that we haven't concluded on this topic. > ... This should be an agenda topic at the F2F, because we > should have the right people present, hopefully. > > <pal> +1 > > <scribe> ACTION: nigel Add codecs registry to F2F agenda at > TPAC [recorded in > [20]http://www.w3.org/2014/10/02-tt-minutes.html#action01] > > <trackbot> Created ACTION-336 - Add codecs registry to f2f > agenda at tpac [on Nigel Megitt - due 2014-10-09]. > > close action-320 > > <trackbot> Closed action-320. > > Actions overdue > > nigel: These are both mine and I haven't done them. > > Action items due next week > > Action-332? > > <trackbot> Action-332 -- Glenn Adams to Add schema support for > ISD vocabulary -- due 2014-10-01 -- OPEN > > <trackbot> > [21]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/332 > > [21] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/332 > > glenn: I have coded the newly defined ISD spec into the TTV and > created a TTX transformer tool that allows ISDs to be created > from a TTML file. > ... In this way I'm verifying the viability of the newly > defined vocabulary. > > action-333? > > <trackbot> action-333 -- Pierre-Anthony Lemieux to Create a one > pager to cover the plan for the director's meeting for taking > imsc1 to cr. -- due 2014-10-02 -- OPEN > > <trackbot> > [22]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/333 > > [22] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/333 > > nigel: Let's postpone this one due to the change in plan for > IMSC. > > TTML2 FPWD > > nigel: We planned to do this last week; that didn't happen. > > glenn: I'd like to retarget this to around the time of TPAC, to > get some substantial pieces in, primarily the ISD creation > rules and the HTML mapping. > > nigel: Okay I'll rejig the timeline and discuss with you. I'm > tempted to go just after TPAC so the group can feedback if > necessary. > > glenn: Sounds good. I'm making good progress on a variety of > issues and it's better to get more in than less, if we can. > ... Also, once we have the FPWD published it's simple to > publish new ones - we don't have to go long between them. > ... I'm expecting to close the P1 CPs by FPWD. > > Issues Pending Review > > issue-228? > > <trackbot> issue-228 -- Ruby text support -- pending review > > <trackbot> > [23]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/228 > > [23] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/228 > > glenn: I mapped 3 style properties that map to the CSS ruby > display styles for the base and different container types and > delimiter. > ... And there are position and align attributes. This gives us > a good baseline to work with and supports the basic Ruby text > needs. > ... There's one open technical issue that was posted by pal for > SMPTE compatibility, which is the need to specify the offset of > the container boxes from the base box. > ... I didn't do that because HTML and CSS don't support that at > the moment. We could define properties but they wouldn't have a > mapping. > > nigel: I also noted that it uses a syntax different to the HTML > syntax, and requires nested spans. I don't have an issue with > that though. > > pal: So now would be a good time to review? > > glenn: yes. > ... There are different flavours of syntax in XHTML and HTML5 > and the CSS formulation shows that no markup is needed, just > some style properties. > ... I took the more CSS approach to make the Ruby more > orthogonal via styling than adding new markup with the extra > overhead for that. > > pal: The SMPTE submission from ST4287 is in use today with > content being made today with that Ruby markup so we should > have a good rationale for > ... ignoring the recommendations there. > > glenn: The proposal didn't say to adopt the syntax from SMPTE. > > pal: Re the need to offset, that caught my attention. We should > be careful about not supporting features from things that are > actually in use today. > > glenn: If what is proposed is functionally inadequate then I > suggest that issues are raised with the specifics. > > I have went ahead and added a tts:rubyOffset property even though it doesn't appear that it has a mapping in CSS (yet). See [1]. [1] https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/rev/c62837d89619 > > nigel: I suggest pal reviews and we leave this as Pending > Review in the meantime. > ... Adjourns meeting. We have 1 hour scheduled for next week. > Thanks everyone. > > Summary of Action Items > > [NEW] ACTION: nigel Add codecs registry to F2F agenda at TPAC > [recorded in > [24]http://www.w3.org/2014/10/02-tt-minutes.html#action01] > > [End of minutes] > __________________________________________________________ > > > Minutes formatted by David Booth's [25]scribe.perl version > 1.138 ([26]CVS log) > $Date: 2014-10-02 15:34:23 $ > __________________________________________________________ > > [25] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm > [26] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/ > >
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