- From: Nigel Megitt <nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk>
- Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2014 15:16:26 +0000
- To: Timed Text Working Group <public-tt@w3.org>
Minutes available at: http://www.w3.org/2014/07/24-tt-minutes.html Text version: [1]W3C [1] http://www.w3.org/ - DRAFT - Timed Text Working Group Teleconference 24 Jul 2014 See also: [2]IRC log [2] http://www.w3.org/2014/07/24-tt-irc Attendees Present plh, jdsmith, nigel, Andreas Regrets pal, glenn Chair nigel Scribe plh Contents * [3]Topics 1. [4]Prioritise discussion for this meeting 2. [5]IMSC 1 timeline 3. [6]Action items 4. [7]action overdue or due next week 5. [8]Issues pending review, discussed and raised over the past week 6. [9]Change proposals * [10]Summary of Action Items __________________________________________________________ <trackbot> Date: 24 July 2014 <nigel> scribeNick: plh NIgel: activities on issues since last meeting Prioritise discussion for this meeting Nigel: let's cover IMSC and issues for tday ... no AOB today IMSC 1 timeline NigeL: send email on Friday and didn't see responses ... I'll take that as approval ... this was generated with Pierre btw ... idea is: all issues need to be raised by September 5th ... it's possible that we'll identify some cases where an issue might fit better in IMSC during the f2f ... so I've left a little window for the f2f ... then Pierre will be able to create a draft for review by October 15 ... so we'll have resolved issues or defer them ... I'll send a liaison to key orgs about the timeline ... feedback? plh: +1 RESOLUTION: IMSC timeline is approved Nigel: second part of the IMSC issues ... in upcoming meetings, I'd like to address them ... proposal is to have 2 hours meetings on July 31, August 14 ... might skip August 28 Jerry: is that to cover IMSC topics, or make progress on TTML issues? Nigel: I try to cover issues regardless of products Jerry: those dates would work for me Nigel: for August 28, anybody volunteering to chair? RESOLUTION: 2 hours meeting on July 31, August 14, and no meeting on August 28 Action items issue-259? <trackbot> issue-259 -- Define "closest" -- pending review <trackbot> [11]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/259 [11] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/259 Nigel: seems that people are happy with those actions action-207? <trackbot> action-207 -- Glenn Adams to Add round-down clarification to "closest" language, see issue-259 -- due 2014-04-01 -- PENDINGREVIEW <trackbot> [12]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/207 [12] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/207 action-258? <trackbot> action-258 -- Glenn Adams to Work with pal to resolve edits needed for issue-259 comments -- due 2014-04-01 -- PENDINGREVIEW <trackbot> [13]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/258 [13] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/258 Nigel: that works for me and Pierre and Glenn. any objection to move on? close action-207 <trackbot> Closed action-207. close action-258 <trackbot> Closed action-258. close issue-259 <trackbot> Closed issue-259. action-306? <trackbot> action-306 -- Jerry Smith to Assign priorities to change proposals owned by jdsmith -- due 2014-07-24 -- PENDINGREVIEW <trackbot> [14]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/306 [14] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/306 Nigel: some conversation about this. ... this was on a change proposal ... since we agreed to prioritize them <nigel> [15]https://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/ChangeProposalIndex [15] https://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/ChangeProposalIndex Nigel: we have priorities in the table now ... change proposal 2 is marked as no action needed <nigel> [16]https://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal002 [16] https://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal002 Nigel: but can we close the change proposal? Jerry: I think it's been implemented. want to check it's complete ... I'll update the status ... I'll do it today Nigel: ok, we'll close the proposal after you're done with your action. Jerry: I'll update the table after the meeting action overdue or due next week Nigel: I followed up with David on the geneva f2f meeting ... and he is still working on it ... at the moment, we only have one vtt expect who responded <nigel> [17]https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/34314/TTWG_Geneva_F2F_Planni ng/ [17] https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/34314/TTWG_Geneva_F2F_Planning/ Nigel: deadline is August 15 Issues pending review, discussed and raised over the past week issue-263? <trackbot> issue-263 -- profile feature set may not match intended feature constraints -- pending review <trackbot> [18]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/263 [18] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/263 (we'll skip that one) issue-324? <trackbot> issue-324 -- Prefer end to dur on generated out-of-line regions -- raised <trackbot> [19]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/324 [19] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/324 Nigel: this is to do with the out of line region text ... Glenn assigned a duration value to those regions issue-324 is now open issue-325? <trackbot> issue-325 -- Add 'prohibited' value to @ttp:validation -- raised <trackbot> [20]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/325 [20] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/325 Nigel: Glenn raised that one Jerry: in this case prohibited means disabled? Nigel: yes, it means you must not validate this Jerry: what's the use case? Nigel: I don't know issue-325: the group would like to see use case(s) for this <trackbot> Notes added to issue-325 Add 'prohibited' value to @ttp:validation. issue-326? <trackbot> issue-326 -- definitions do not use shall, uses of definitions may use shall -- raised <trackbot> [21]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/326 [21] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/326 Nigel: this is about conformance language ... makes sense to me 326 is now open issue-327? <trackbot> issue-327 -- IMSC should meet W3C QA Framework Spec guidelines -- raised <trackbot> [22]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/327 [22] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/327 Nigel: this is generic bucket. ... let's try to meet the best practices as we can. ... is that a reasonnable thing to be asking for? Plh: it's nice to have but not a priority imho ... let's see what Pierre can do and if you have more specific concern, you should raise those separately Nigel: agreed issue-328? <trackbot> issue-328 -- ittm:altText should be in TT namespace in TTML 2.0 -- raised <trackbot> [23]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/328 [23] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/328 Nigel: goes back to alt text ... that maybe imsc doesn't meet the WCAG 2 guidelines ... although the resolution didn't require alt text ... it's still a good idea ... so it's imsc 1 and John wants to put in the tt namespace ... ie not part of metadata Plh: +1 to John Nigel: I agree as well issue-309? <trackbot> issue-309 -- Image profile needs to permit text equivalent -- open <trackbot> [24]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/309 [24] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/309 Nigel: Pierre has made some edits there ... I still need to complete my review but I'm comfortable with where we got to now ... I suppose there is a question about the alternative mechanism Plh: so the meeting with the a11y folks happened? Nigel: yes. it isn't a requirement that it needs to be provided in the same doc. ... it's a requirement for the software to find it ... there needs to be metadata about the alternative document ... I think we should close the issue at this stage close issue-309 <trackbot> Closed issue-309. issue-313? <trackbot> issue-313 -- Presented Region section is informative only -- open <trackbot> [25]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/313 [25] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/313 Nigel: that's an IMSC region ... ttml 1 has the concept of temporarily active region ... Pierre has resolved in his edit ... so we have a definition in IMSC 1 now ... I think the proposal is to close issue 313 and raise a new one ... happy with the approach Jerry: makes sense to me. it clarifies the remaining issue close issue-313 <trackbot> Closed issue-313. <scribe> ACTION: Nigel to create follow-up issue from issue-313 [recorded in [26]http://www.w3.org/2014/07/24-tt-minutes.html#action01] <trackbot> Created ACTION-308 - Create follow-up issue from issue-313 [on Nigel Megitt - due 2014-07-31]. issue-314? <trackbot> issue-314 -- Temporally active is not defined for regions -- open <trackbot> [27]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/314 [27] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/314 Nigel: temporally active isn't defined and ought to be ... that can be achieve with assigning begin/end time to regions ... I wonder if folks use regions with timing ... the concept from Glenn is a good one but I don't know a use case for it ... will continue discussion with Glenn issue-317? <trackbot> issue-317 -- IMSC should not require frame alignment -- open <trackbot> [28]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/317 [28] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/317 NIgel: Pierre made an edit that he believes sort out this issue "A document can be made independent of the frame rate of the related video object by never using the frames term in a time expression" "In circumstances where the video program is downsampled during delivery, the application can specify that, at playback, the relative video object be considered the delivered video program upsampled to is original rate, thereby allowing subtitle content to be rendered at the same temporal locations it was authored." Nigel: I think it addresses my concern ... so if Pierre and I are ok, can we close the issue? close issue-317 <trackbot> Closed issue-317. Change proposals Nigel: the way things look: priority 1 needs to be closed before FPWD ... Amendments to the set attribute ... HTML5 Mapping semantics Jerry: change proposal 5 is largely drafted. you expressed a desire to have those inline. Didn't close the loop with Glenn yet. the content is there ... just needs to be incorporated Nigel: can you create an issue on TTML 2 for this? ... and edit the change proposal page Jerry: sure Nigel: Audio rendering ... I don't think that needs to be in TTML 2 at this stage ... so if somebody does want to take this on, let me know ... Distribution ... I can't do a lot about it at the moment ... hoping to bring something back ... what if you have a stream of short documents? Plh: when is FPWD scheduled? Nigel: no timeline yet Plh: how about targetting after the september meeting? Nigel: too early ... would rather do after TPAC ... I'll talk with Glenn as well <scribe> ACTION: Nigel to propose a timeline for TTML 2 FPWD [recorded in [29]http://www.w3.org/2014/07/24-tt-minutes.html#action02] <trackbot> Created ACTION-309 - Propose a timeline for ttml 2 fpwd [on Nigel Megitt - due 2014-07-31]. Nigel: tests needs to be closed by LC ... I'll be looking for volunteers for that ... Links <nigel> nigel: If nobody has a use case for links that means it should have a higher priority then it will be deferred until v.next <nigel> nigel: Meeting adjourned. Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: Nigel to create follow-up issue from issue-313 [recorded in [30]http://www.w3.org/2014/07/24-tt-minutes.html#action01] [NEW] ACTION: Nigel to propose a timeline for TTML 2 FPWD [recorded in [31]http://www.w3.org/2014/07/24-tt-minutes.html#action02] [End of minutes] __________________________________________________________ Minutes formatted by David Booth's [32]scribe.perl version 1.138 ([33]CVS log) $Date: 2014-07-24 15:14:13 $ __________________________________________________________ [32] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm [33] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/
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