Re: Question on Timed Text Markup Language (TTML)

The purpose of captioning is to align the text with the spoken dialog and
the video.  The paragraph is split across multiple 'p' elements presumably
because that is how it aligns with the spoken dialog.  Even sentences are
split.  Consider the sentence "Three were given to the Elves, immortal,
wisest...fairest of all beings." in the opening of FOTR.  If I remember the
narration timing correctly (deliberate pauses), the split might look
something like this:

<p> Three were given to the Elves</p>
<p> immortal,</p>
<p> wisest...</p>
<p>fairest of all beings.</p>

David


On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 12:10 AM, Thierry MICHEL <tmichel@w3.org> wrote:

> Could someone help Richard here ?
>
> Thanks.
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> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Question on Timed Text Markup Language (TTML)
> Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2013 12:37:07 +0000
> From: Richard, Francois <francois.richard@hp.com>
>
>
> I work for Hewlett-Packard (actually based in Grenoble) and my group
> charter is to deploy Translation tools and technologies within HP.
> We recently received some TTML files that we need to process through our
> TMS  (Translation management system). I had a look at it and I am bit
> surprised by the use of paragraph element. In the sample file I received
> (see snippet below), the notion of linguistic "paragraph" is not preserved,
> resulting in what could considered as concatenation or artificial split of
> grammatical sentences:
>         <p begin='00:00:02.130' end='00:00:04.290' style="4">The print
> industry clearly is shrinking</p>
>         <p begin='00:00:04.290' end='00:00:06.310' style="4">and shrinking
> substantially.</p>
>
> I checked http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/WD-**ttaf1-dfxp-20130131/<http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/WD-ttaf1-dfxp-20130131/>and I am surprised to see that it is there too:
>
>     <p xml:id="subtitle1" begin="0.76s" end="3.45s">
>       It seems a paradox, does it not,
>     </p>
>     <p xml:id="subtitle2" begin="5.0s" end="10.0s">
>       that the image formed on<br/>
>       the Retina should be inverted?
>     </p>
>
> Is this done on purpose? I understand there is a need to support some
> "timing" information, but I do not understand why defining these attributes
> at the <p> element level, forcing grammatical sentences to be split across
> multiple "paragraphs"....
> Can you help?
>
> François Richard
> Globalization Tec Lead
> Digital Publishing and Operations
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