Re: Timeline for TPE Last Call and Update of Acknowledgements

Hi Ninja,

I think this is not a usual working group, so past practice should not 
be the benchmark. We need to be realistic about what the relevant 
community is able to do.

Thanks,

David

On 2014-03-24 11:58 AM, Ninja Marnau wrote:
> David, Rob, thank you for your feedback. We will discuss your 
> suggestion among Chairs and team.
>
> While I completely understand your concerns, please note that the 
> Chairs did not specify this review period arbitrarily. The usual 
> timeframe for other Working Groups for Last Call review is three weeks 
> (even for other complex and long documents). The Chairs already did 
> extend this period to 30 days to accommodate the complexity of the spec.
>
> Best regards,
> Ninja
>
>
> Am 24.03.14 16:12, schrieb Rob van Eijk:
>> Hi Ninja, WG members,
>>
>> I wish to second David's request to extend the window for public 
>> comments.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Rob
>>
>> David Wainberg schreef op 2014-03-24 16:05:
>>> Hi Ninja, and WG members,
>>>
>>>  The WG must give more than 30 days for public comments. Giving only
>>> 30 days would be sending a message that you don't really want
>>> feedback.
>>>
>>>  For companies, especially smaller companies, who will be affected by
>>> this to give comments, they will have to:
>>>
>>>     * first learn of the LC document and the comment period;
>>>      * then read and understand a long and complex document, without 
>>> the
>>> benefit of having participated in our discussion for the past two
>>> years;
>>>
>>>     * then, technical, policy, and legal people will have to work
>>> together to understand their challenges for implementation or to
>>> determine areas of the spec that they do not understand;
>>>
>>>     * in most cases they will then have to present this 
>>> understanding to
>>> executives and get a consensus position for the company; and
>>>      * finally, they then need to prepare this feedback into public
>>> comments
>>>
>>> For very many companies, this will take in excess of only 4 weeks. It
>>> can often take a week or two just to find a meeting time that works
>>> for all required attendees. We cannot expect them to drop their other
>>> work to turn around comments on this very complex issue in such a
>>> short time. If we are serious about taking feedback, and this is not
>>> merely a pro forma exercise, I ask that we please extend the comment
>>> period to 90 days. That is the minimum reasonable amount of time for
>>> most smaller companies to be able to provide feedback.
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>> On 2014-03-21 8:21 PM, Ninja Marnau wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear WG members,
>>>>
>>>> we are closing in on TPE Last Call. This does not mean that our
>>>> work is done but rather that we have a document, which is in a
>>>> stage, where we, as a Working Group, think we have satisfied the
>>>> relevant technical requirements and want to present it to the public
>>>> and ask for technical reviews from stakeholders and experts. [1]
>>>>
>>>> Thank you all for the great work, your time and patience that you
>>>> contributed to this document!
>>>>
>>>> We plan for the Editors, Roy and David, to walk the group through
>>>> the Last Call ready version of the document on the call on March 26.
>>>> You will have one more week after this call to ask questions and
>>>> propose last editorial changes. So please prepare to provide your
>>>> editorial feedback before the WG call on April 2nd at the latest.
>>>> Please also keep in mind that editorial changes are only those, for
>>>> which someone could reasonably expect that making the changes would
>>>> not invalidate an individual's review or implementation experience.
>>>>
>>>> From April 3 to April 16 the Co-Chairs will ask the Working Group
>>>> to make the decision for advancement of the document to Last Call.
>>>> If there are SUBSTANTIATED TECHNICAL OBJECTIONS against the Last
>>>> Call advancement, you can raise them during this timeframe by
>>>> sending an email to the mailing list. We hope to announce the
>>>> successful advancement to Last Call on April 17.
>>>>
>>>> The Last Call announcement will be followed by a 30 days period, in
>>>> which the Working Group asks for external technical reviews (until
>>>> May 16). These technical reviews will be the basis for our further
>>>> work on TPE.
>>>>
>>>> In order to update the document before Last Call I would also like
>>>> to ask you to review the ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS [2]. If you have
>>>> contributed to TPE but are not listed, please let us know.
>>>>
>>>> Ninja
>>>>
>>>> [1] http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/tr.html#last-call
>>>> [1]
>>>>
>>>> [2]
>>>>
>>> http://www.w3.org/2011/tracking-protection/drafts/tracking-dnt.html#acknowledgements 
>>>
>>>> [2]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Links:
>>> ------
>>> [1] http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/tr.html#last-call
>>> [2]
>>> http://www.w3.org/2011/tracking-protection/drafts/tracking-dnt.html#acknowledgements 
>>>
>>
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