Re: DNT: Agenda for Call March 6

Under the proposed standard, you are going to end up with deals where Party A has all the power and control over what data is collected, how it's used, and the user experience, and it "sells" branding on its site to parties B, C, D to convert them into 3rd parties in exchange for their getting out of DNT compliance.

A tighter definition would be to permit Multiple First Parties only where there is no argument that any one party is the First Party.  

(Frankly, I am not sure I think that people or businesses with a facebook page *should* be joint First parties. Is there any research to show that is what FB user's expectations are?)

Lauren Gelman
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On Mar 5, 2013, at 1:33 PM, Justin Brookman wrote:

> I previously objected to this exception as too expansive and vague; here is what I wrote on this in September:
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> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tracking/2012Sep/0259.html
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> I do not believe the November text sufficiently addresses my concerns.  "Branding" and/or "the presence of privacy policies" should not be sufficient to turn an otherwise third party into a first.  I have previously argued for one first party per interaction.  I could live with language that allows for multiple first parties in unique scenarios, but this remains an exception that could swallow the rule.
> Justin Brookman
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> Center for Democracy & Technology
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> On 3/5/2013 4:13 PM, Rob Sherman wrote:
>> Hi Rob,
>> 
>> Sorry for the confusion on ACTION-273 / ISSUE-181.  The text that we'll be discussing was circulated in November of last year (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tracking/2012Nov/0075.html), and I'm not proposing to change the text from what was previously circulated.  We had a discussion about this on our weekly call.  I think we worked through questions that were raised but didn't actually close the issue, and the issue didn't get brought back to the agenda in subsequent calls.  So the purpose of the agenda item tomorrow is to give us an opportunity to resolve this.
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>> Peter also asked me to look into how, if at all, the approach we're taking here would be informed by the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act in the United States.  We can talk about that as well but it does not change the text that people weighed in on in November.
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>> I hope this clarifies the agenda item.
>> 
>> Rob
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>> Rob Sherman
>> Facebook | Manager, Privacy and Public Policy
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>> From: Rob van Eijk <rob@blaeu.com>
>> Date: Tuesday, March 5, 2013 2:26 PM
>> To: Peter Swire <peter@peterswire.net>, "public-tracking@w3.org WG" <public-tracking@w3.org>
>> Subject: Re: DNT: Agenda for Call March 6
>> Resent-From: <public-tracking@w3.org>
>> Resent-Date: Tuesday, March 5, 2013 2:27 PM
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>> Peter,
>> 
>> I have 3 procedural questions: 
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>> Action 273 is pending review, however the revised text has not been circulated to the list. I think it is fair to leave at least 1 week between text circulation on the mailing list and discussing it in the plenairy weekly calls to allow for discussion on the list and to allow for the need to discuss text internally before taking an official position in a discussion. Is it possible to accomodate this?
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>> Likewise is action 368 with status open, and no text circulated. Ergo, no time/chance to prepare the discussion             in time.
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>> Lastly, with regards to apparently scheduled discussions (eg . related append issues to action 368). I may have             overlooked a URL, but if there are items planned ahead, it would be good to know. Please send a URL, 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Rob
>> 
>> 
>> Peter Swire <peter@peterswire.net> wrote:
>> Wednesday call March 6, 2013
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>> ---------------------------
>> Administrative
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>> Chair:  Peter Swire
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>> 1.  Confirmation of scribe – glad to accept volunteer in advance
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>> 2.  Offline-caller-identification: 
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>> 3. Update on next face-to-face.
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>> TPE: Matthias Schunter 
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>> 4.   TPE matters (15 minutes)
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>> Discuss Assigned Compliance Actions
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>> 5.  Action 273 (Rob Sherman).  Rob has updated text for multiple first parties.  Discussion will include reference to “joint marketing” under Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act.
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>> 6. Action 368 (Chris Pedigo), update “service provider” or “data processor” definition.  (Discussion of related “append” issue is scheduled to occur in two weeks).
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>> 7. Action 371 (Dan Auerbach).  Dan has circulated proposed text and non-normative language.
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>> 8.  Issue 10, definition of “first party.”  Text from the editors, with focus on clarity of writing rather than major discussion on scope.
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>> 9. If time, review of other outstanding assigned actions. 
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>> 10.  Announce next meeting & adjourn
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>> Professor Peter P. Swire
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