RE: ISSUE-45 ACTION-246: draft proposal regarding making a public compliance commitment

Jonathan,

If you’d like this to be opened as a new issue, that’s fine.  Since you proposed this as an option within the discussion of ISSUE-45 it felt appropriate to have the conversation in that context.

Nick – could you please open a new issue for “Public Compliance Commitment Options”?

Thank you,
- Shane

From: Jonathan Mayer [mailto:jmayer@stanford.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 3:14 PM
To: rob@blaeu.com
Cc: Shane Wiley; public-tracking@w3.org
Subject: Re: ISSUE-45 ACTION-246: draft proposal regarding making a public compliance commitment

I think this thread is quickly headed offtrack.  Let's pop the stack.

ISSUE-45 is about:
1) whether a compliant website must make a public representation about its compliance status, and
2) if so, what form that representation must take.

We have two different proposals:
1) a compliant website MUST make a representation about its compliance status (at minimum using the means specified in the TPE document), and
2) silence (i.e. a compliant website MAY make a representation about its compliance status, presumably stripping out the TPE compliance status semantic).

ISSUE-45 is *not* about:
1) allowing a website to both be in compliance with Do Not Track and pick and choose parts of the Compliance standard, nor
2) providing a mechanism in the TPE specification for signaling selective adherence to the Compliance standard or adoption of entirely different policies.

If advertising industry participants really want to press their luck with these topics, newly announced over a year into our efforts, the working group can decide whether to accept them as raised ISSUEs.  I concur with the assessments others have offered: these suggestions trend towards reneging on a central premise of Do Not Track negotiations, and a splintered Do Not Track standard is a terrible outcome for all stakeholders.  I'm certain everyone in the group now has adequate experience to recognize that a protracted discussion would be time-consuming and unproductive.

Jonathan


On Thursday, September 6, 2012 at 12:02 AM, Rob van Eijk wrote:
Hi Shane,

Tnx, CC is on the list now.

Creating a hook to DNT responses for EU users is a path worth
exploring. But if it is enough to be off the hook remains to be seen.

On top of voluntary compliance spec more substance is needed to make a
voluntary framework legally compliant in the EU. As you know there are
big obstacles that devide our positions, such as and not limited to: Do
not Collect versus Do not target, the issue of the initial setting and
the prevention of dataflows with high entropie identifiers when it comes
to ever growing list of permitted uses.

mvg::Rob

Shane Wiley schreef op 2012-09-05 23:27:
Rob,

Several dimensions here:

1. You had shared (and we had agreed) that the current C&S document
does NOT address EU compliance issues (in Seattle)
2. You have publically conveyed key elements of the TPE that can be
reused in the context of EU compliance (basically, ensuring we have
all of the appropriate ingredients but we may follow a different
recipe in the EU)
(...)

- Shane

-----Original Message-----
From: Rob van Eijk [mailto:rob@blaeu.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 2:18 PM
To: public-tracking@w3.org<mailto:public-tracking@w3.org>
Subject: RE: ISSUE-45 ACTION-246: draft proposal regarding making a
public compliance commitment

Hi Shane,

If you mean the one on how to make the operational uses work in terms
of proportinality/subsidiarity, that has been posted already.

In case you mean another conversation, please remind me offlist
first.

Rob

Shane Wiley schreef op 2012-09-05 23:01:
Rigo - Agreed there is need for more discussion of EU compliance
with
respect to DNT. Yahoo! received one of the highest P3P compliance
scores in some research that Lorrie Cranor's team executed a few
years
ago. Despite that review, we believe that standard to be horribly
broken and in need of significant repair (or simply put out to
pasture).

Rob - I've had separate conversations with you on this topic. Would
you be willing to share your point of view here?

Thank you,
Shane

-----Original Message-----
From: Rigo Wenning [mailto:rigo@w3.org]
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 1:51 PM
To: public-tracking@w3.org<mailto:public-tracking@w3.org>
Cc: Shane Wiley; John Simpson; Justin Brookman
Subject: Re: ISSUE-45 ACTION-246: draft proposal regarding making a
public compliance commitment

On Wednesday 05 September 2012 13:01:47 Shane Wiley wrote:
there are already significant issues developing and the C&S
document
isn't addressing EU concerns directly.

Shane, if you want to convey compliance to EU regulations, P3P is a
better option (it has explicit semantics about that). I think that
DNT
is an ack of a user preference that is well defined. This user
preference may also get some traction in the EU market (hopefully)
and
serves a certain purpose there (usable consent mechanism). But I
don't
think it should convey EU data protection regulation compliance. I
think the latter would be a good topic for the DNT-NG Workshop.

Rigo