- From: John Simpson <john@consumerwatchdog.org>
- Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 15:51:31 -0700
- To: "Roy T. Fielding" <fielding@gbiv.com>
- Cc: "Aleecia M. McDonald" <aleecia@aleecia.com>, W3 Tracking <public-tracking@w3.org>
- Message-Id: <B8687845-2A80-45E6-B7E3-D515692C2C53@consumerwatchdog.org>
Roy, Perhaps I'm remarkably dense today. I'm not sure I understand the distinction between David's definition and what you propose below. Could please explain a little more? John ---------- John M. Simpson Consumer Advocate Consumer Watchdog 2701 Ocean Park Blvd., Suite 112 Santa Monica, CA,90405 Tel: 310-392-7041 Cell: 310-292-1902 www.ConsumerWatchdog.org john@consumerwatchdog.org On Sep 4, 2012, at 3:20 PM, Roy T. Fielding wrote: > On Sep 4, 2012, at 10:07 AM, Aleecia M. McDonald wrote: > >> (c) Buried in this discussion (of "absolutely not tracking") was David Singer's attempt to define tracking: "Tracking is the retention or use, after a transaction is complete, of data records that are, or can be, associated with a single user." (I'd append: ", user agent, or device.") Unlike every other time someone has made the attempt, the one and only reply was in support. Does that mean we can live with this? [Note that issue-5 is currently raised] > > Probably not. It does us very little good to define tracking such > that it encompasses all access logs, since they are essential > to any site that isn't deliberately acting as an open gateway. > Are we agreed to that at least? > > If so, as Shane has said a few million times, the definition of > tracking has to reflect actively tracking the user/device > (operational use of the data collected). Additional restrictions > on the retention of data for specific and necessary purposes can > also be required for compliance, but that doesn't need to be > reflected in the definition of "Do Not Track". > > A variation on David's definition would be: > > Tracking is the retention or sharing of data collected from an > interaction to associate that interaction with a specific user > (or their personal user agent or device) and use that association > to obtain, collect, or correlate that user's behavior beyond > the scope of a single session. > > Note, however, that this still doesn't reflect the distinction between > first-party tracking and third-party tracking. We need guidance in the > spec for UA configuration, such that the options reflect the truth. > For example, Firefox's config says: > > [√] Tell websites I do not want to be tracked > > whereas the compliance spec (and our consensus so far) would suggest > > [√] Tell websites I do not want to be tracked by third parties > > or > > [√] Enable "Do Not Track" > [√] Tell websites I do not want to be tracked by third parties > [ ] Tell websites it is okay for third parties to track me > > Cheers, > > ....Roy
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