- From: David Singer <singer@apple.com>
- Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2012 17:00:51 +0100
- To: "Dobbs, Brooks" <Brooks.Dobbs@kbmg.com>
- Cc: David Wainberg <david@networkadvertising.org>, "public-tracking@w3.org WG" <public-tracking@w3.org>
On Nov 8, 2012, at 16:56 , "Dobbs, Brooks" <Brooks.Dobbs@kbmg.com> wrote: > David, > > Admittedly, I needed to start by looking up "bike-shedding", but, having > done so, I am not sure I agree. > > I think it would help us all to fully appreciate that UGEs aren't > exceptions to how DNT:1 is processed by a specific site; if an exception > at all, they are exceptions to DNT:1 being sent to ALL sites. Isn't this > fundamentally different? A UGE site has no way of knowing if they are "an > exception" or if the user's base line choice was to send DNT: 0 to all > sites. I could imagine this having implications for sites that appear as > both 1st and 3rd parties. I agree. That's one of the reasons I don't like the word 'exception' and would prefer 'permission' for what users do. "You are getting permission from this user" (and it's not known whether this is a blanket grant to everyone or specific to you). > > In any event, I think we ought to be as consistent and clear as possible. > Where something isn't an exception (or where the meaning of what it is an > exception to is unclear) we should fix the language. Agree? What I meant by bike-shedding was fiddling with the labels while we have technical work to do; I think a global rename would be easy later, once we know the substance of what the label applies to. (Maybe I am an optimist.) So I have been content to leave changing labels until later, that's all. > > > -Brooks > > > -- > > Brooks Dobbs, CIPP | Chief Privacy Officer | KBM Group | Part of the > Wunderman Network > (Tel) 678 580 2683 | (Mob) 678 492 1662 | kbmg.com > brooks.dobbs@kbmg.com > > > > This email including attachments may contain confidential information. > If you are not the intended recipient, > do not copy, distribute or act on it. Instead, notify the sender > immediately and delete the message. > > > > On 11/8/12 10:33 AM, "David Singer" <singer@apple.com> wrote: > >> >> On Nov 8, 2012, at 16:30 , "Dobbs, Brooks" <Brooks.Dobbs@kbmg.com> wrote: >> >>> Just as a point of clarification here I am noticing some language I >>> believe to be technically incorrect entering into the discussion. To be >>> clear - "short term collection" is NOT an exception; it is a permitted >>> use. >> >> sorry. you are quite right. >> >>> >>> This actually highlights another issue. For consistency we may need to >>> change the language around user granted "exceptions" because they aren't >>> really exceptions. An exception would be a special dispensation to >>> process a DNT: 1 signal differently than would otherwise be allowed. >> >> I have long felt that users give 'permission' (not 'exception') and that >> we need a different word for what the spec. allows in restricted >> circumstances (not 'permission' or 'exception'). But this is >> bike-shedding... >> >> >> David Singer >> Multimedia and Software Standards, Apple Inc. >> > David Singer Multimedia and Software Standards, Apple Inc.
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