agenda: 30 May 2012 call

Chair:		Aleecia
Main topic:	Log files & action-180, issue-148 of What does DNT:0 mean, 

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Administrative
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1. Selection of scribe

2. Any comments on minutes: 
	Awaiting Nick's response to Ian's note on individuals v. [groups] as identified in minutes (22 May, "Re: Agenda for May 16, 2012 DNT WG Call") regarding:
	http://www.w3.org/2012/05/09-dnt-minutes (revised)
	http://www.w3.org/2012/05/16-dnt-minutes

3. Quick check that callers are identified, which ought take less than 7 minutes this time

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Old business
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3.  Review of overdue action items:  https://www.w3.org/2011/tracking-protection/track/actions/overdue

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New business
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4.   Reminders: 	3 weeks until F2F in Seattle. 
				2 weeks until registration closes (https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/49311/tpwg-belle-f2f/)
				1 week until agenda due to group

5.  Introduction of Global Considerations skeleton document.

6.  Revisit action-190 (Allowed uses of protocol data in first N weeks; https://www.w3.org/2011/tracking-protection/track/actions/190)
	See http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tracking/2012May/0299.html for a preview of the discussion.

7.  Initial discussion around new issue-148, What does DNT:0 mean? (https://www.w3.org/2011/tracking-protection/track/issues/148)
	Ideal outcome of the discussion: someone(s) volunteers to take an action item to draft this, or we decide as a group that we will not do this.

8.  Initial discussion around new issue-149, Compliance section for user agents (https://www.w3.org/2011/tracking-protection/track/issues/149)
	Ideal outcome of the discussion: we decide which, if any, of the issues outlined are ones we will take on, and if we need to split out more issues. Ideally we create an action item for each of those issues.

9.   If we time allows, Roy has proposed a new text for what "collection" should mean (action-166). Rather than:
		A party collects data if the data comes within its control.
		A party retains data if the data remains within the party's control.

	Roy proposes (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tracking/2012May/0282.html): 
		Data collection" (for the purpose of DNT) is the process of assembling data from or about one or more network interactions and retaining/sharing that data beyond the scope of responding to the current request or in a form that remains linkable to a specific user, user agent, or device.

	David proposes 
		1. "is exposed to": data that the service sees without taking any specific action,usually, the data arrives whether the service wanted it or not;
		2. "collects": the service takes specific action to acquire the data;
		3. "retains": the service holds the data after the immediate transaction is complete;

	Step 0: discussion of why the current split between "collects" and "retains" is insufficient. It may be that what we are really after here is replacing several occurrences of "collects" with "retains" but the current definitions are fine. I am reluctant to re-open this discussion until I have a better understanding of why there is a problem. (Yes, Roy, I have read your messages -- I am not seeing why you think "collects" is far away from a normal meaning when it appears far closer than the definition you suggest, which seems more like an attempt to define the scope of DNT than to define collection. It is likely I am missing something, so talking on the call will be useful.)

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10. Announce next meeting & adjourn

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