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Re: action-231, issue-153 requirements on other software that sets DNT headers

From: Mike Zaneis <mike@iab.net>
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 22:05:52 +0000
To: David Singer <singer@apple.com>
CC: "public-tracking@w3.org (public-tracking@w3.org)" <public-tracking@w3.org>
Message-ID: <E12AF8A9-59E4-40CF-A48D-47C07DB1690A@iab.net>
I disagree, a default is a setting in the product when it ships. IE 10 ships with DNT on, thus it is on be default. 

There can be options that are not set at all and REQUIRE a consumer action, for example if IE were shipped and required users to determine whether or not to send DNT before the install could be completed. This is not the case, no consumer actions means DNT is sent, thus on by default.  

The above scenario is pretty simple from an engineering and consumer standpoint.  The more difficult question centers around "compliance" for the UA. If a browser ships with DNT off, but pushes users to turn it on, in a very biased way, is that still a consumer's preference?  That is the definition of a grey area and a more important question for this group to address.  

Let's  

Mike Zaneis
SVP & General Counsel, IAB
(202) 253-1466

On Aug 22, 2012, at 5:57 PM, "David Singer" <singer@apple.com> wrote:

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> On Aug 22, 2012, at 14:14 , Tamir Israel <tisrael@cippic.ca> wrote:
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>> Shane -- can you (and others) please confirm whether MSFT's new proposal, which will prompt users to make a DNT election during Win8 install, is 'representing user's choice' or not? Also please confirm whether this is still a clear case or not?
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>> http://blogs.technet.com/b/microsoft_on_the_issues/archive/2012/08/07/do-not-track-in-the-windows-8-set-up-experience.aspx
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>> To me it appeared as though MSFT was now making a good faith effort to bring their IE10 DNT into compliance.
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> I am a little puzzled, actually, as I take 'default' to mean what happens if you don't do anything.  If it asks every user on install/first-use, then every user is expressing a preference, and there is no 'default'.  The most that there can be is a suggestion, or an initially checked box, suggesting that the user take a certain choice or direction, but it's no longer a 'default' (IMHO).  (to the extent that H applies).
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> David Singer
> Multimedia and Software Standards, Apple Inc.
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