Re: agenda for 1 August 2012 call

Apologies for missing the call, I'm at IETF (along with a number of other
people I assume).

-Ian

On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Aleecia M. McDonald <aleecia@aleecia.com>wrote:

> Chair: Aleecia
> Main topic: Reviewing pending review texts
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> Administrative
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> 1. Selection of scribe
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> Old business
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> 2.   Review of overdue action items:
> http://www.w3.org/2011/tracking-protection/track/actions/overdue?sort=owner<http://www.w3.org/2011/tracking-protection/track/>
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> 3. Any comments on minutes posted a week ago:
> http://www.w3.org/2012/06/06-dnt-minutes
>  http://www.w3.org/2012/06/13-dnt-minutes
> http://www.w3.org/2012/06/20-dnt-minutes
>  http://www.w3.org/2012/06/21-dnt-minutes
> http://www.w3.org/2012/06/22-dnt-minutes
>  http://www.w3.org/2012/07/11-dnt-minutes
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> 4. Quick check that callers are identified
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> New business
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> 5.  Discussion of face-to-face meeting
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> 6. Discussion of how we move forward on permitted uses
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> 7. We will work our way through a number of pending review texts, all of
> which have had ample time for people to read and reflect upon.
>
> (a) *Re-direction, shortened URLs, click analytics -- what kind of
> tracking is this?* (ISSUE-97<http://www.w3.org/2011/tracking-protection/track/issues/97>
> )
> [image: (edit)]<http://www.w3.org/2011/tracking-protection/track/actions/196/edit>
> ACTION-196 <http://www.w3.org/2011/tracking-protection/track/actions/196>on Justin Brookman: Draft text on whether url shorteners are first or third
> parties
> Text:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tracking/2012Jun/0106.html
>
> (b) *Third parties should be prohibited from acting or representing
> themselves as first parties.* (ISSUE-123<http://www.w3.org/2011/tracking-protection/track/issues/123>
> )
> [image: (edit)]<http://www.w3.org/2011/tracking-protection/track/actions/116/edit>
> ACTION-116 <http://www.w3.org/2011/tracking-protection/track/actions/116>on Thomas Lowenthal
> Original text:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tracking/2012Feb/0618.html
>  Proposed edit:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tracking/2012Mar/0126.html
>
> (c) *Third party as first party - is a third party that collects data on
> behalf of the first party treated the same way as the first party?* (
> ISSUE-49 <http://www.w3.org/2011/tracking-protection/track/issues/49>)
> [image: (edit)]<http://www.w3.org/2011/tracking-protection/track/actions/161/edit>
> ACTION-161 <http://www.w3.org/2011/tracking-protection/track/actions/161>on Shane Wiley: work on issue-49
> Text: http://www.w3.org/2011/tracking-protection/track/actions/161
>
>  (d) ACTION-208<http://www.w3.org/2011/tracking-protection/track/actions/208>on Ian Fette: Draft a definition of DNT:0 expression -- issue-148
>  Text under discussion (after a few edits):
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tracking/2012Jun/0314.html
>  Suggestion for addition
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tracking/2012Jun/0421.htmlwhich may not work:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tracking/2012Jun/0428.html
>  Counter-proposal:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tracking/2012Jun/0313.html
>
> (e) *Specify "absolutely not tracking"* (ISSUE-119<http://www.w3.org/2011/tracking-protection/track/issues/119>
> )
> [image: (edit)]<http://www.w3.org/2011/tracking-protection/track/actions/110/edit>
> ACTION-110 <http://www.w3.org/2011/tracking-protection/track/actions/110>on Ninja Marnau: Write proposal text for what it means to "not track"
> Text:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tracking/2012Feb/0362.html
> Counter-proposal from Roy:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tracking/2012Feb/0403.html
> Several people suggested changes, mostly "let's call this something other
> than 'not tracking' please." One suggestion there: "Exceeds the compliance
> standard and does not collect and retain any data"
>
> Buried in this discussion was David Singer's attempt to define tracking:
> "Tracking is the retention or use, after a transaction is complete, of data
> records that are, or can be, associated with a single user." (I'd append:
> ", user agent, or device.")   Unlike every other time someone has made the
> attempt, the one and only reply was in support. Does that mean we can live
> with this?
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> 8. Announce next meeting & adjourn
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