Re: [TalentSignal] citizenship requirement (and other JobPosting requirements)

Phil, with the exception of not liking property names looking more like a
narrative than a label (battle already lost in schema.org), I think this
works.

On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 4:30 AM Phil Barker <phil.barker@pjjk.co.uk> wrote:

> Hello all, I hope you keeping well.
>
> Apologies for letting this hang for a month, but unless anyone has any
> objections or further suggestions I will go ahead with proposing to
> schema.org the following property for JobPosting
>
> *eligibilityToWorkRequirement:
>    **Definition:* legal requirements such as citizenship, visa and other documentation required
>                for an applicant to this job.*   Expected Type:* Text
>
> Phil
>
> On 11/02/2020 18:02, Vicki Tardif wrote:
>
> eligibilityToWorkRequirement seems to capture both cases. A separate
> property specific to citizenship could be proposed later if it is needed.
>
> - Vicki
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 6:40 AM Phil Barker <phil.barker@pjjk.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Hello all, the extraordinarily observant among you may have noticed from
>> the summary of progress in our first year
>> <https://www.w3.org/community/talent-signal/2020/02/05/one-year-in/>
>> that the following properties which we proposed to schema.org a couple
>> of months ago were recently accepted into the January release:
>>
>>    - physical requirement
>>    - security clearance requirement
>>    - sensory requirement
>>    - applicationContact,
>>    - employerOverview
>>
>> Missing from that list is *citizenship requirement*. This is because
>> Stuart Sutton raised a point
>> <https://github.com/schemaorg/schemaorg/issues/2384#issuecomment-554768395>
>> that I thought was worth bringing back here for further discussion:
>>
>> Phil, just a thought about "citizenship requirement". In the context of
>> employment, I would think that the citizenship question goes to a
>> candidate's legal work eligibility. Some of what HR Open Standards focuses
>> on in this regard are: (a) eligibility types (e.g., "US noncitizen
>> national", "alien authorized to work"; and (b) eligibility documentation
>> (e.g., "permanent resident card", "US passport", "foreign passport with
>> I-94/A form" etc.). Since a "citizenship requirement" might get to some of
>> it, does it do the full trick?
>>
>> We had proposed :
>> *citizenshipRequirement:* *Defintion:* Country of applicant's
>> citizenship. *Expected Type:* Country, Text, Url
>>
>> Would this be better:
>>
>> *eligibilityToWorkRequirement:
>>    **Definition:* legal requirements such as citizenship, visa and other documentation required
>>                for an applicant to this job.*   Expected Type:* Text
>>
>> I know Text is a blunt instrument here, but I am not keen on trying to
>> come up with a globally applicable vocabulary for this.
>>
>> Are there many cases where citizenship is important if other criteria
>> such as a work visa / green card are satisfied? Should we propose
>> eligibilityToWorkRequirement *as well as* citizenshipRequirement or *instead
>> of*? (If we suggest both we need to be careful because it won't be clear
>> whether they are alternatives or both required unless we alter the
>> definition).
>>
>> Phil
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> Phil Barker <http://people.pjjk.net/phil>. http://people.pjjk.net/phil
> CETIS LLP <https://www.cetis.org.uk>: a cooperative consultancy for
> innovation in education technology.
> PJJK Limited <https://www.pjjk.co.uk>: technology to enhance learning;
> information systems for education.
>
> CETIS is a co-operative limited liability partnership, registered in
> England number OC399090
> PJJK Limited is registered in Scotland as a private limited company,
> number SC569282.
>