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RE: TalentSignal properties relating to employer information

From: Westfall, Joshua <JWestfall@USChamber.com>
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 19:40:09 +0000
To: "'Joseph D. Marsh'" <jmarsh@3storysoftware.com>, Stuart Sutton <stuartasutton@gmail.com>
CC: Phil Barker <phil.barker@pjjk.co.uk>, "public-talent-signal@w3.org" <public-talent-signal@w3.org>
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+1 to Stuarts comments.

Employers still see a need to market their job postings to the public more creatively than just hiring needs and so the employerOverview property provides them a place to do that without taking away from the competency and responsibility properties. Such creativity in job postings is utilized even more by  employers and recruiters in times of low unemployment.


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From: Joseph D. Marsh <jmarsh@3storysoftware.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 1:22 PM
To: Stuart Sutton <stuartasutton@gmail.com>
Cc: Phil Barker <phil.barker@pjjk.co.uk>; public-talent-signal@w3.org
Subject: RE: TalentSignal properties relating to employer information

Stuart,

Got it – thanks for the clarification.

Thanks,
- Joseph

From: Stuart Sutton <stuartasutton@gmail.com<mailto:stuartasutton@gmail.com>>
Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 1:20 PM
To: Joseph D. Marsh <jmarsh@3storysoftware.com<mailto:jmarsh@3storysoftware.com>>
Cc: Phil Barker <phil.barker@pjjk.co.uk<mailto:phil.barker@pjjk.co.uk>>; public-talent-signal@w3.org<mailto:public-talent-signal@w3.org>
Subject: Re: TalentSignal properties relating to employer information

Joseph, while many employers may not use a property that says "more" about their company than what's necessary to apply, others will use it. In the partner (employer) feedback during the JDX piloting, one important issue for some was the ability to signal importance characteristics of their companies that make them unique and signal key values and opportunities that make them a desirable place to work and advance. An employerOverview property would make it possible to signal such qualities.

Stuart

On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 7:23 AM Joseph D. Marsh <jmarsh@3storysoftware.com<mailto:jmarsh@3storysoftware.com>> wrote:

1.       +1

2.       0

·  I’ve always been a fan of “lean” – adding a dedicated section for this info seems … unnecessary

3.       0

·  Given the above (“lean”), is there any reason why industry standard codes can’t be used in the existing industry property?

I was reading the notes for the latest release for a different standard and <understatement>it was *lengthy*</understatement>, which made it difficult to navigate (and, therefore, to use).

At what point do we say “what we have is good for now”, and stop twiddling the bits for a while?

Thanks,
- Joseph

From: Phil Barker <phil.barker@pjjk.co.uk<mailto:phil.barker@pjjk.co.uk>>
Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 7:22 AM
To: public-talent-signal@w3.org<mailto:public-talent-signal@w3.org>
Subject: TalentSignal properties relating to employer information

Hello all, I hope that we can discuss and suggest three properties loosely related to employer information as solutions to the following from our page of issues / requirements<https://www.w3.org/community/talent-signal/wiki/Issues,_use_cases_and_requirements>:

1. There should be a means of providing contact details for a JobPosting. Arises from analysis of Junior software developer example posting<https://www.w3.org/community/talent-signal/wiki/Examples:_Junior_software_developer>

I know this is maybe useful only in a minority of cases where jobs are maybe specialized, or non-standardized, but seems very common in some sectors, for example Higher Education or small companies, to have a "for further information please contact..." line in job adverts.

-- I propose we suggest a property applicationContact to JobPosting, with an expected value type of schema.org/ContactPoint<http://schema.org/ContactPoint> defintion: "contact details for further information relevant to this job posting"

2. provide Employer Overview "Description of the employer, career opportunities, and work environment" From Comparison of JDX JobSchema+<https://www.w3.org/community/talent-signal/wiki/Comparison_of_JDX_JobSchema%2B_with_schema.org> with schema.org<http://schema.org>, see also issue 1829<https://github.com/schemaorg/schemaorg/issues/1829> point 5.

This is different to the general description that can be provided for a hiring organization in that it provides information relevant to filling a hiring requirement, for example advertising what a great place the organization is to work at, or signaling that legal requirements for hiring are being upheld.

-- I propose we suggest a property employerOverview (text) "description of the employer, career opportunities and work environment for this position"

3. Provide a means of giving the industry a standard code. From Comparison of JDX JobSchema+<https://www.w3.org/community/talent-signal/wiki/Comparison_of_JDX_JobSchema%2B_with_schema.org> with schema.org<http://schema.org>

Currently JobPosting has a property for industry<https://schema.org/industry>, (the industry associated with the job position) but this can only be text so codes like those in NAICS or ESCO would be difficult to interpret.

-- This is easily dealt with by allowing DefinedTerms to be used to specify industry.

Please respond. It's important we discuss anything that I propose that does not meet requirements, but it is also useful in demonstrating wider agreement if people who agree say so. A simple "+1" in response would be fine.

Thank you, Phil
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