Re: [TalentSignal] Example for JobPosting qualifications as EducationalOccupationalCredentials

This is pretty good.  The TL;DR version of my longer response below: It 
would be nice to have a data element associated with a credential that 
described an acceptable (to the employer) issuer/owner/source of the 
credential.

Why?

I would like to fix one reason that credential listings as they exist 
today  are so poor at signaling requirements to candidates. That is, 
that all sources of a given credential are not equally satisfactory to 
employers.  If I get a Bachelor of Science from a no-name university, my 
resume will never be considered even though technically I have the 
required credential.  If I get a B.S.  from MIT, my resume floats to the 
top.  This is particularly a problem in Computer Science, where, In the 
US, 70,000 African-Americans currently remain employed out-of-field 
(most in extremely menial jobs, like short-haul delivery drivers and 
bellhops - see my LinkedIn posting on US Census data showing this) 
because they have the BS degree in Computer Science, but not from 
anywhere an employer is interested in, or recruiting from.  Meanwhile, 
employers are complaining that minority talent  simply doesn't exist.  
The signal that employers "need minority talent" is getting out, but in 
a form that doesn't allow individuals to respond correctly.  The result 
is a colossal waste of many individuals' time, and a profound 
accumulation of unnecessary debt, to pursue degrees no one is interested in.

Now, the real problem is of course that no employer really wants to 
admit they won't hire you if your degree is from Institution X.  But 
there is also no way in current data schema to easily signal a preferred 
credential issuer/owner/source even if employers *were* so inclined.  As 
a less incendiary example, there are at least 3 different organizations 
handing out Six Sigma Black Belt certifications.  Which one(s) is the 
employer willing to accept?  I think in Credential Engine, the 
credential owner ended up being stored in records completely separate 
from the other data regarding a credential, which also made it 
difficult, when working with their APIs, to extract listings of 
credentials that included the information on who was issuing them.   I 
can't be 100% certain of that last claim, since I'm not a programmer, 
but I think that's what I heard from ours, when they attempted it.

So...long story short:  It would be nice to have a data element 
associated with a credential that described an acceptable 
issuer/owner/source of the credential.  It could be a specific 
organization,  a class of organizations (e.g., "Ivy League Universities" 
or "Accredited higher education institutions"), or a list containing 
several of the above ("Embry-Riddle University," "Pima Community 
College").  At least that way, if employers ever did get explicit about 
signaling acceptable credentials, they'd have a mechanism for doing so.  
I will say that if employers ever specified their preferred credential 
providers, it would dramatically shake up higher education.  Especially 
if such information were available in structured form, it could easily 
be collated for national-level reports on supply/demand, which typically 
utilize real-time labor market information (job postings) as their data 
source.  Particularly if employers were willing to identify subsets of 
institutions less than 50 in number (for example, something smaller than 
just "accredited higher education institution"), Higher education would 
then get an extremely strong signal about what was, and was not, 
considered an "employable" educational pathway.

Merrilea

On 6/21/2019 7:27 AM, Phil Barker wrote:tthe qualifications property of 
a JobPosting.
>
> It is based on an existing example in schema of anOccupation 
> <https://schema.org/Occupation> requiring a PhD level qualification.
>
> {
>   "@context": "http://schema.org/",
>   "@type": "JobPosting",
>   "title": "Systems Research Engineer",
>   "qualifications": {
>     "@type": "EducationalOccupationalCredential",
>     "credentialCategory": "Bachelor of Science",
>     "about": "Computer Science",
>     "name": "Bachelor of Science in Computer Science"
>   }
> }
>
> There's a full description on the wiki at 
> https://www.w3.org/community/talent-signal/wiki/Example_of_JobPosting_qualifications_as_EducationalOccupationalCredential
>
> Any comments?
>
> Phil
>
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