Re: Domain sketch

While the distinction certainly exists between description and assertion,
we need to be clear that in the TalentSignal context, we aren't talking
about assertions.

On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 8:36 AM Alex Jackl <alex@bardicsystems.com> wrote:

> I agree with Greg that the distinction between the "achievement
> description" and the "achievement assertion" is critical, but in this case
> I think we are once again running aground on the semantic reefs.
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> If we think of an "achievement description" as a description of a
> Knowledge, Skill, Aptitude, or Experience (either inside of some taxonomy
> or not) then it matches cleanly what most people mean by competency.
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> It typically does not include the assessment or test that would "prove"
> "provide evidence" that that competency exists with some person.  That
> matches with what people usually refer to as an "assessment" or
> "evidence".
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> Once you have a record that matches a person with a "competency" or
> "achievement description", and "evidence" or "assertion" from an "approved"
> organization that that person has either passed an assessment or done
> something that shows that... you have an "achievement assertion" or
> "credential".
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> I think it is that simple.  :-)    Now - I know each of these categories
> have hierarchies and taxonomies and differing levels of granularity and
> different ways t o represent an assessment or organizations
> trustworthiness  or authority, but this model can be represented by what
> Phil is describing.
>
> What am I missing?   I see no issue with the following semantic
> equivalences:
> competency <-> achievement  description
> assessment <-> evidence (I understand that not all evidence takes the form
> of a "test" but you are assessing somehow!)
> credential <-> achievement assertion
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> On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 11:20 AM Nadeau, Gregory <gnadeau@pcgus.com>
> wrote:
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>> I challenge the aspect of the model that separates a competency from
>> credential.  I believe that both credentials as expressed by CTDL and
>> competencies as CASE (as well as badges and micro-credentials) are all
>> overlapping labels and structures for expressing the general Achievement
>> Description.  Degree, credential, micro-credential, badge, skill,
>> knowledge, ability, course objective, academic standard, and learning
>> target are all labels for this concept without accepted boundaries between
>> them and distinctions.  The more important distinction from an information
>> architecture standpoint is separation of the general, linked-data public
>> Achievement Description from the Achievement Assertion that contains PII
>> data about the Learner:
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>> *From:* Phil Barker <phil.barker@pjjk.co.uk>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 15, 2019 6:03 AM
>> *To:* public-talent-signal@w3.org
>> *Subject:* Domain sketch
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>> Hello all, I got a little feedback about the domain sketch that I've
>> shown a couple of times, and have altered it accordingly, and tried to
>> clarify what is and isn't currently in schema.org.
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>> Here it is again. I'm thinking about putting it on the wiki, and hoping
>> that, along with the issue list
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>> are doing.
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>> I really want to stress that it is not intended to be a complete or
>> formal domain model, nor is it intended to be prescriptive. (I think that
>> for a domain as big as this, with so many possible perspectives, it is
>> premature to try to get consensus on a complete formal model now, if indeed
>> that will ever be possible.)
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>> I would welcome feedback on whether this sketch helps, and how it might
>> be improved, what needs further explanation, or anything else.
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>> Regards, Phil
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