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Re: [Talent-Signal] relating competencies to job postings

From: Stuart Sutton <stuartasutton@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2019 09:30:46 -0700
Message-ID: <CACetQ6HDFFswEW8DETmFqfEoRVJjtYRGYao_aSAZjk5DKeoWTA@mail.gmail.com>
To: Phil Barker <phil.barker@pjjk.co.uk>
Cc: public-talent-signal@w3.org
That's an interesting note about the publisher, Phil, since many/most
frameworks in machine-actionable form are coming from 3rd party encodings.
With Credential Engine, they are publish to the registry by the agent with
authority or by an authorized 3rd party.

On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 9:14 AM Phil Barker <phil.barker@pjjk.co.uk> wrote:

>
> A minimal example would be
>
> {
>   "@context": "http://schema.org/" <http://schema.org/>,
>   "@type": "JobPosting",
>   "title": "Junior software developer",
>   "skills": "https://credentialengineregistry.org/resources/ce-e6e963ba-7a14-437f-bbcb-e25c40b4ea0f"
> }
>
> A more consumer friendly example:
>
> {
>   "@context": "http://schema.org/" <http://schema.org/>,
>   "@type": "JobPosting",
>   "title": "Junior software developer",
>   "skills": {
>     "@id": "https://credentialengineregistry.org/resources/ce-e6e963ba-7a14-437f-bbcb-e25c40b4ea0f" <https://credentialengineregistry.org/resources/ce-e6e963ba-7a14-437f-bbcb-e25c40b4ea0f>
>     "@type": "DefinedTerm",
>     "termCode": "K0016",
>     "description": "Knowledge of computer programming principles"
>   }
> }
>
> I could add more information from the Credential Engine Registry as with
> the example below, but I think you get the idea.
>
> I wouldn't just add the "@id" from the Credential Engine Registry to the
> example below, because then you would get confusion between the two
> different representations coming from the Credential Engine Registry and
> NICE. In this example, at some point we would hit conflicting information
> about who was the publisher. In general, as a non-authoritative source I
> wouldn't want to identify a resource (with "@id") from someone else and add
> too much information to it. If absolutely had to link to the NICE website
> for the framework as a whole for people who want the pdf, then
> schema.org/sameAs would be a relatively safe way of doing that.
>
> Phil
>
> On 06/08/2019 16:34, Stuart Sutton wrote:
>
> Phil, just to make sure I understand your use in the example of the
> schema.org/url property to retrieve the PDF framework document, can you
> include a second, basically identical, example that uses a URI that returns
> JSON-LD data, not a PDF. Credential Engine Registry (CER) has the NICE
> Cybersecurity knowledge, skills, abilities and tasks in the registry, all
> with data-resolving URIs. Here's the CER URI for your example:
>
>
> https://credentialengineregistry.org/resources/ce-e6e963ba-7a14-437f-bbcb-e25c40b4ea0f
>
> On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 6:45 AM Phil Barker <phil.barker@pjjk.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Hello again, I have updated the wiki page about referring skills
>> requirements to competency definitions
>> <https://www.w3.org/community/talent-signal/wiki/Referring_skills_requirements_to_competency_definitions>
>> [1] as a result of our discussions so far. Please take a look at it and let
>> me know what you think.
>>
>> If you would like other examples adding, we can do that, but but please
>> let me know what the example should be based on.
>>
>> So far it looks like we need to suggest that schema.org
>>
>> a) add DefinedTerm to the expected range of skills
>>
>> b) extend the definition of skills to help clarify that it covers all
>> types of competency
>>
>> Let me know if you think anything else is required.
>>
>> Best regards, Phil
>>
>>
>> 1.
>> https://www.w3.org/community/talent-signal/wiki/Referring_skills_requirements_to_competency_definitions
>> On 03/07/2019 12:24, Phil Barker wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I know that many of you are about start a holiday; and after that I will
>> be on vacation. So this may not be the best time to start a conversation,
>> but I want to post this now to see what I come back to...
>>
>> One of the issues we have listed is how to refer skills requirements to
>> competency definitions in a standard framework.
>>
>> I have drafted on the wiki a straw man for a simple way of doing this
>> <https://www.w3.org/community/talent-signal/wiki/Example_of_how_to_refer_skills_requirements_to_competency_definitions>
>> [1] with minimal change to what currently exists in schema.org. It
>> requires only that the expected type for one property be changed.
>>
>> {
>>   "@context": "http://schema.org/" <http://schema.org/>,
>>   "@type": "JobPosting",
>>   "title": "Junior software developer",
>>   "skills": {
>>     "@type": "Definedterm",
>>     "termCode": "K0016",
>>     "description": "Knowledge of computer programming principles",
>>     "inDefinedTermSet": {
>>       "@type": "DefinedTermSet",
>>       "name": "National Initiative for Cybersecurity Education (NICE) Cybersecurity Workforce Framework",
>>       "url": "https://doi.org/10.6028/NIST.SP.800-181" <https://doi.org/10.6028/NIST.SP.800-181>,
>>       "publisher": {
>>         "@type": "Organization",
>>         "name": "National Institute of Standards and Technology"
>>       },
>>       "datePublished": "2017-08"
>>     }
>>   }
>> }
>>
>> Points to note / consider
>>
>> * this doesn't attempt to fully describe the competency, that's the job
>> of the framework. Furthermore this approach is pretty much agnostic to the
>> format used to represent the framework--I mean, it would be nice if a
>> linked-data friendly format were used and we can then link properly to its
>> @id but this example is a pdf.
>>
>> * is there any other key information that is required to identify the
>> competence being referred to?
>>
>> * I've used the existing schema.org property skills to cover a
>> competency that is defined as 'knowledge'. I know the KSA approach to
>> competencies, but also that other aspects can be added (tools/technologies,
>> attitudes) an other approaches taken. Can we live with lumping these
>> together under the label skills, or do we have to look into creating a
>> property with a different name? We will be somewhat constrained by existing
>> schema.org usage. Also I think that trying to separate out the different
>> aspects of competence would cause difficulties when implemented in the
>> non-specialist schema.org context. Remember, the competence framework is
>> where the information should be provided about what aspect of competence
>> (knowledge, skill or ability) is being referred to.
>>
>> Best wishes to all celebrating the 4 July.
>>
>> Phil
>>
>>
>> 1.
>> https://www.w3.org/community/talent-signal/wiki/Example_of_how_to_refer_skills_requirements_to_competency_definitions
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>>
>> Phil Barker <http://people.pjjk.net/phil>. http://people.pjjk.net/phil
>> CETIS LLP <https://www.cetis.org.uk>: a cooperative consultancy for
>> innovation in education technology.
>> PJJK Limited <https://www.pjjk.co.uk>: technology to enhance learning;
>> information systems for education.
>>
>> CETIS is a co-operative limited liability partnership, registered in
>> England number OC399090
>> PJJK Limited is registered in Scotland as a private limited company,
>> number SC569282.
>>
> --
>
> Phil Barker <http://people.pjjk.net/phil>. http://people.pjjk.net/phil
> CETIS LLP <https://www.cetis.org.uk>: a cooperative consultancy for
> innovation in education technology.
> PJJK Limited <https://www.pjjk.co.uk>: technology to enhance learning;
> information systems for education.
>
> CETIS is a co-operative limited liability partnership, registered in
> England number OC399090
> PJJK Limited is registered in Scotland as a private limited company,
> number SC569282.
>
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