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Re: [Talent-Signal] relating competencies to job postings

From: Stuart Sutton <stuartasutton@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2019 08:34:20 -0700
Message-ID: <CACetQ6GAKc7xn8qDnQDiu40mAsRAk_pU1TKDQo3CJLP=zyfuOw@mail.gmail.com>
To: Phil Barker <phil.barker@pjjk.co.uk>
Cc: public-talent-signal@w3.org
Phil, just to make sure I understand your use in the example of the
schema.org/url property to retrieve the PDF framework document, can you
include a second, basically identical, example that uses a URI that returns
JSON-LD data, not a PDF. Credential Engine Registry (CER) has the NICE
Cybersecurity knowledge, skills, abilities and tasks in the registry, all
with data-resolving URIs. Here's the CER URI for your example:

https://credentialengineregistry.org/resources/ce-e6e963ba-7a14-437f-bbcb-e25c40b4ea0f

On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 6:45 AM Phil Barker <phil.barker@pjjk.co.uk> wrote:

> Hello again, I have updated the wiki page about referring skills
> requirements to competency definitions
> <https://www.w3.org/community/talent-signal/wiki/Referring_skills_requirements_to_competency_definitions>
> [1] as a result of our discussions so far. Please take a look at it and let
> me know what you think.
>
> If you would like other examples adding, we can do that, but but please
> let me know what the example should be based on.
>
> So far it looks like we need to suggest that schema.org
>
> a) add DefinedTerm to the expected range of skills
>
> b) extend the definition of skills to help clarify that it covers all
> types of competency
>
> Let me know if you think anything else is required.
>
> Best regards, Phil
>
>
> 1.
> https://www.w3.org/community/talent-signal/wiki/Referring_skills_requirements_to_competency_definitions
> On 03/07/2019 12:24, Phil Barker wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> I know that many of you are about start a holiday; and after that I will
> be on vacation. So this may not be the best time to start a conversation,
> but I want to post this now to see what I come back to...
>
> One of the issues we have listed is how to refer skills requirements to
> competency definitions in a standard framework.
>
> I have drafted on the wiki a straw man for a simple way of doing this
> <https://www.w3.org/community/talent-signal/wiki/Example_of_how_to_refer_skills_requirements_to_competency_definitions>
> [1] with minimal change to what currently exists in schema.org. It
> requires only that the expected type for one property be changed.
>
> {
>   "@context": "http://schema.org/" <http://schema.org/>,
>   "@type": "JobPosting",
>   "title": "Junior software developer",
>   "skills": {
>     "@type": "Definedterm",
>     "termCode": "K0016",
>     "description": "Knowledge of computer programming principles",
>     "inDefinedTermSet": {
>       "@type": "DefinedTermSet",
>       "name": "National Initiative for Cybersecurity Education (NICE) Cybersecurity Workforce Framework",
>       "url": "https://doi.org/10.6028/NIST.SP.800-181" <https://doi.org/10.6028/NIST.SP.800-181>,
>       "publisher": {
>         "@type": "Organization",
>         "name": "National Institute of Standards and Technology"
>       },
>       "datePublished": "2017-08"
>     }
>   }
> }
>
> Points to note / consider
>
> * this doesn't attempt to fully describe the competency, that's the job of
> the framework. Furthermore this approach is pretty much agnostic to the
> format used to represent the framework--I mean, it would be nice if a
> linked-data friendly format were used and we can then link properly to its
> @id but this example is a pdf.
>
> * is there any other key information that is required to identify the
> competence being referred to?
>
> * I've used the existing schema.org property skills to cover a competency
> that is defined as 'knowledge'. I know the KSA approach to competencies,
> but also that other aspects can be added (tools/technologies, attitudes) an
> other approaches taken. Can we live with lumping these together under the
> label skills, or do we have to look into creating a property with a
> different name? We will be somewhat constrained by existing schema.org
> usage. Also I think that trying to separate out the different aspects of
> competence would cause difficulties when implemented in the non-specialist
> schema.org context. Remember, the competence framework is where the
> information should be provided about what aspect of competence (knowledge,
> skill or ability) is being referred to.
>
> Best wishes to all celebrating the 4 July.
>
> Phil
>
>
> 1.
> https://www.w3.org/community/talent-signal/wiki/Example_of_how_to_refer_skills_requirements_to_competency_definitions
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> Phil Barker <http://people.pjjk.net/phil>. http://people.pjjk.net/phil
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