- From: emelia <emelia@brandedcode.com>
- Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2025 22:07:32 +0200
- To: sean.obrien@yale.edu
- Cc: Evan Prodromou <evan@prodromou.name>, public-swicg@w3.org
- Message-Id: <10579D50-7D56-4D7B-A970-3B29DAC74584@brandedcode.com>
I've removed your signature from the copy I maintain on my website. Feel free to comment on the pull request to remove it there (or someone can edit the PR to remove it) — Emelia > On 6 Sep 2025, at 22:03, Sean O'Brien <sean.obrien@yale.edu> wrote: > > I initially added my signature but request to remove it for the time being. > > I made the error of assuming that this was actually proposed and approved because it's in the SWICG repo on github. > > If it's approved by SWICG I'll sign, and if it's hosted / published outside of SWICG I'll sign. > > Thanks, > Sean > > -- > Sean O'Brien > Associate Research Scholar, Yale Law School > Founder, Privacy Lab at Yale Law School https://privacylab.yale.edu/ > > Director, Cybersecurity and Computer Science Programs & Assistant Professor, Bay Path University https://psafe.ly/baypath > > My Personal Newsletter: https://bitsontape.com/ > > PGP Key: E3043E61...F43E9CFB https://psafe.ly/pgp-yale > > > On 9/6/25 12:43, Evan Prodromou wrote: >> That sounds great, but as a group we operate by consensus. That means if there >> are objections, we work through them before acting. >> >> We have not in over a decade of existence as a group published a position >> statement like this. This statement was not discussed at our meeting yesterday, >> nor was it put through a CFC process, which takes 14 days. >> >> There is no urgency that requires fast-tracking this document and skipping this >> consensus process. >> >> I'm asking that the group operate with consensus and have a discussion, >> including a vote and CFC, before publishing a statement. >> >> Evan >> >> On Sep 6, 2025 12:31, emelia <emelia@brandedcode.com> wrote: >> >> The statement is co-signed by the following people involved in the >> specification of ActivityPub and ActivityStreams: >> >> * Dmitri Zagidulin (Social CG co-chair) — @dmitri@social.coop <https:// >> nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/? <http://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?> >> url=https%3A%2F%2Fsocial.coop%2F%40dmitri&data=05%7C02%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu <http://40yale.edu/>%7C1654126f756b49c8497508dded6490a9%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638927739884172191%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=rPHUXRuqNyTChenWCAkm6%2FvmRh3OW4XqURPMHUOHUMY%3D&reserved=0> >> * Tantek Çelik (Former Social Web Working Group co-chair) — @tantek.com >> <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/? >> url=https%3A%2F%2Ftantek.com <http://2ftantek.com/>%2F&data=05%7C02%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu <http://40yale.edu/>%7C1654126f756b49c8497508dded6490a9%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638927739884202255%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=5bVbBbHthXm6%2BLjHBb7ID%2BRs9PtgUkog73jgX0AmSK4%3D&reserved=0> >> * James (Former SocialCG co-chair) — jamesg.blog <https:// >> nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/? <http://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?> >> url=https%3A%2F%2Fjamesg.blog%2F&data=05%7C02%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu <http://40yale.edu/>%7C1654126f756b49c8497508dded6490a9%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638927739884215024%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=4Uzd34PqaJA5w24saocBgJPCKV6YIsbw%2FGnLYl2YawE%3D&reserved=0> (@jamesg.blog@jamesg.blog <https://fed.brid.gy/r/https://jamesg.blog/>) >> * Chris Messina (Citizen Agency, creator of ActivityStreams) — >> @chrismessina.me <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/? >> url=https%3A%2F%2Fchrismessina.me <http://2fchrismessina.me/>%2F&data=05%7C02%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu <http://40yale.edu/>%7C1654126f756b49c8497508dded6490a9%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638927739884263350%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=ZWeiA%2FUj2yLpck%2BOk6pi0BRdWrgrqByET79WY1RZpgQ%3D&reserved=0> >> * Christine Lemmer-Webber (Executive Director of Spritely, ActivityPub co- >> author/co-editor) — @cwebber <https:// >> nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/? <http://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?> >> url=https%3A%2F%2Fsocial.coop%2F%40cwebber&data=05%7C02%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu <http://40yale.edu/>%7C1654126f756b49c8497508dded6490a9%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638927739884278151%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Eun%2FHu6TZUenznHFdv%2FMJVFXdczS7eC4sQlrmp6G9oY%3D&reserved=0> / https://dustycloud.org/<https://dustycloud.org/> >> * Darius Kazemi (Social Web CG member) — @darius@friend.camp <https:// >> nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/? <http://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?> >> url=https%3A%2F%2Ffriend.camp%2F%40darius&data=05%7C02%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu <http://40yale.edu/>%7C1654126f756b49c8497508dded6490a9%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638927739884310719%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=%2Bjq52%2FfG%2BppHiUDgvCU7rNxSrjWQsF3s9W8LZMHFcLI%3D&reserved=0> >> * >> >> (full list here: https://github.com/swicg/general/blob/master/ >> statements/2025-09-05-activitypub-and-atproto-discourse.md#co-signed-by- >> the-following-community-members <https:// >> nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/? <http://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?> >> url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com <http://2fgithub.com/>%2Fswicg%2Fgeneral%2Fblob%2Fmaster%2Fstatements%2F2025-09-05-activitypub-and-atproto-discourse.md%23co-signed-by-the-following-community-members&data=05%7C02%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu <http://40yale.edu/>%7C1654126f756b49c8497508dded6490a9%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638927739884325308%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=NOkZCIRMrj%2Fc8%2BekAp896KwfP5OXbnR6YangQaEn%2Fkw%3D&reserved=0> ) >> >> All the statement says is that we can be respectful towards one another, >> stop spreading misinformation about each >> other, and instead work together and learn from one another. That _is_ a >> good thing for the AcitvityPub and the >> entire open social web, in mine, and from what I can tell, their opinions. >> >> You are free to dissent though. So far you're the only voice within the >> people who work on the specifications that I have heard dissenting, though. >> >> Yours, >> Emelia >> >> On 6 Sep 2025, at 18:22, Evan Prodromou <evan@prodromou.name> wrote: >> >> There's a statement published on the SWICG GitHub repo that had >> neither a proposal nor a CFC period. >> >> I strongly disagree with it. Can we take it down until consensus is >> reached? >> >> Evan >> >> >> >> >> On Sep 6, 2025 12:31, emelia <emelia@brandedcode.com <mailto:emelia@brandedcode.com>> wrote: >> >> The statement is co-signed by the following people involved in the >> specification of ActivityPub and ActivityStreams: >> >> * Dmitri Zagidulin (Social CG co-chair) — @dmitri@social.coop <https:// >> nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/? <http://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?> >> url=https%3A%2F%2Fsocial.coop%2F%40dmitri&data=05%7C02%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu <http://40yale.edu/>%7C1654126f756b49c8497508dded6490a9%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638927739884338265%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Os4T8Jl8WYlSMKv%2FVDrc9GCz2wjJEo51HxyCqPrQ4LY%3D&reserved=0> >> * Tantek Çelik (Former Social Web Working Group co-chair) — @tantek.com >> <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/? >> url=https%3A%2F%2Ftantek.com <http://2ftantek.com/>%2F&data=05%7C02%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu <http://40yale.edu/>%7C1654126f756b49c8497508dded6490a9%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638927739884354976%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=BwoZEzkWEOPz9rNPirpCW237uCRyCFwRL0nrGGZ4RG4%3D&reserved=0> >> * James (Former SocialCG co-chair) — jamesg.blog <https:// >> nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/? <http://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?> >> url=https%3A%2F%2Fjamesg.blog%2F&data=05%7C02%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu <http://40yale.edu/>%7C1654126f756b49c8497508dded6490a9%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638927739884369359%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=hnCjutCWxyflDR%2BMaB2pTqC2KIyzL7VdFgFmVbkD%2Bic%3D&reserved=0> (@jamesg.blog@jamesg.blog <https://fed.brid.gy/r/https://jamesg.blog/>) >> * Chris Messina (Citizen Agency, creator of ActivityStreams) — >> @chrismessina.me <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/? >> url=https%3A%2F%2Fchrismessina.me <http://2fchrismessina.me/>%2F&data=05%7C02%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu <http://40yale.edu/>%7C1654126f756b49c8497508dded6490a9%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638927739884427580%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=wUykjO0%2FzEE4rROAV5tHH0OL6brDQ6lfE34B7NT%2F3mQ%3D&reserved=0> >> * Christine Lemmer-Webber (Executive Director of Spritely, ActivityPub co- >> author/co-editor) — @cwebber <https:// >> nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/? <http://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?> >> url=https%3A%2F%2Fsocial.coop%2F%40cwebber&data=05%7C02%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu <http://40yale.edu/>%7C1654126f756b49c8497508dded6490a9%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638927739884457951%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=AIHX73lVyWcDyFshpQOtXEK6gA7cQugCyxqUHNax7t8%3D&reserved=0> / https://dustycloud.org/<https://dustycloud.org/> >> * Darius Kazemi (Social Web CG member) — @darius@friend.camp <https:// >> nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/? <http://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?> >> url=https%3A%2F%2Ffriend.camp%2F%40darius&data=05%7C02%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu <http://40yale.edu/>%7C1654126f756b49c8497508dded6490a9%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638927739884489939%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=xr4gN%2BiorRCTwFB9ABaitr2f1FH0Ne96J0ILvFiEKGo%3D&reserved=0> >> * >> >> (full list here: https://github.com/swicg/general/blob/master/ >> statements/2025-09-05-activitypub-and-atproto-discourse.md#co-signed-by- >> the-following-community-members <https:// >> nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/? <http://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?> >> url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com <http://2fgithub.com/>%2Fswicg%2Fgeneral%2Fblob%2Fmaster%2Fstatements%2F2025-09-05-activitypub-and-atproto-discourse.md%23co-signed-by-the-following-community-members&data=05%7C02%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu <http://40yale.edu/>%7C1654126f756b49c8497508dded6490a9%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638927739884505099%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=O%2BWLDDGPnNE0ttMIXpCln2iktYGyq1v%2BHvjwH4q0ExI%3D&reserved=0> ) >> >> All the statement says is that we can be respectful towards one another, >> stop spreading misinformation about each >> other, and instead work together and learn from one another. That _is_ a >> good thing for the AcitvityPub and the >> entire open social web, in mine, and from what I can tell, their opinions. >> >> You are free to dissent though. So far you're the only voice within the >> people who work on the specifications that I have heard dissenting, though. >> >> Yours, >> Emelia >> >> On 6 Sep 2025, at 18:22, Evan Prodromou <evan@prodromou.name <mailto:evan@prodromou.name>> wrote: >> >> There's a statement published on the SWICG GitHub repo that had >> neither a proposal nor a CFC period. >> >> I strongly disagree with it. Can we take it down until consensus is >> reached? >> >> Evan >> >> >> >> >> On Sep 6, 2025 12:31, emelia <emelia@brandedcode.com <mailto:emelia@brandedcode.com>> wrote: >> >> The statement is co-signed by the following people involved in the >> specification of ActivityPub and ActivityStreams: >> >> * Dmitri Zagidulin (Social CG co-chair) — @dmitri@social.coop <https:// >> nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/? <http://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?> >> url=https%3A%2F%2Fsocial.coop%2F%40dmitri&data=05%7C02%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu <http://40yale.edu/>%7C1654126f756b49c8497508dded6490a9%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638927739884519959%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=YonBFD5hud1%2BgHe59ZLRgOEv8ce82yCCKXeP6oWdRCw%3D&reserved=0> >> * Tantek Çelik (Former Social Web Working Group co-chair) — @tantek.com >> <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/? >> url=https%3A%2F%2Ftantek.com <http://2ftantek.com/>%2F&data=05%7C02%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu <http://40yale.edu/>%7C1654126f756b49c8497508dded6490a9%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638927739884540529%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=q1YPH8KrUtgjMw%2FN4OOGWjd9szkYjl7RM0T0uVTYFL0%3D&reserved=0> >> * James (Former SocialCG co-chair) — jamesg.blog <https:// >> nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/? <http://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?> >> url=https%3A%2F%2Fjamesg.blog%2F&data=05%7C02%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu <http://40yale.edu/>%7C1654126f756b49c8497508dded6490a9%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638927739884566058%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=49FZwX%2F2gUbLFLWnm9wZ8fPjv9r%2FhxtbSyNqT9p5SVU%3D&reserved=0> (@jamesg.blog@jamesg.blog <https://fed.brid.gy/r/https://jamesg.blog/>) >> * Chris Messina (Citizen Agency, creator of ActivityStreams) — >> @chrismessina.me <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/? >> url=https%3A%2F%2Fchrismessina.me <http://2fchrismessina.me/>%2F&data=05%7C02%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu <http://40yale.edu/>%7C1654126f756b49c8497508dded6490a9%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638927739884603349%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=bqapiP5tcb3t%2BkQWuDgC2WVGjIXIwuuKMlfaBH67ilY%3D&reserved=0> >> * Christine Lemmer-Webber (Executive Director of Spritely, ActivityPub co- >> author/co-editor) — @cwebber <https:// >> nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/? <http://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?> >> url=https%3A%2F%2Fsocial.coop%2F%40cwebber&data=05%7C02%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu <http://40yale.edu/>%7C1654126f756b49c8497508dded6490a9%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638927739884621947%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=krdDV8k7ajtP%2FI%2BgPC%2BVMm4XuoY8TKzBG2dJG5QFVmQ%3D&reserved=0> / https://dustycloud.org/ <https://dustycloud.org/> >> * Darius Kazemi (Social Web CG member) — @darius@friend.camp <https:// >> nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/? <http://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?> >> url=https%3A%2F%2Ffriend.camp%2F%40darius&data=05%7C02%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu <http://40yale.edu/>%7C1654126f756b49c8497508dded6490a9%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638927739884659565%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=8DBaawoG%2BjS%2FiCyz92HC7Wo7Y3PESzAp8A4eK4ytCdg%3D&reserved=0> >> * >> >> (full list here: https://github.com/swicg/general/blob/master/ >> statements/2025-09-05-activitypub-and-atproto-discourse.md#co-signed-by- >> the-following-community-members <https:// >> nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/? <http://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?> >> url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com <http://2fgithub.com/>%2Fswicg%2Fgeneral%2Fblob%2Fmaster%2Fstatements%2F2025-09-05-activitypub-and-atproto-discourse.md%23co-signed-by-the-following-community-members&data=05%7C02%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu <http://40yale.edu/>%7C1654126f756b49c8497508dded6490a9%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638927739884676097%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=lBT7aEcjWRFJNf8jtYS9euu6s11V2i7o%2BLsvUnEpa4M%3D&reserved=0> ) >> >> All the statement says is that we can be respectful towards one another, >> stop spreading misinformation about each >> other, and instead work together and learn from one another. That _is_ a >> good thing for the AcitvityPub and the >> entire open social web, in mine, and from what I can tell, their opinions. >> >> You are free to dissent though. So far you're the only voice within the >> people who work on the specifications that I have heard dissenting, though. >> >> Yours, >> Emelia >> >> On 6 Sep 2025, at 18:22, Evan Prodromou <evan@prodromou.name <mailto:evan@prodromou.name>> wrote: >> >> There's a statement published on the SWICG GitHub repo that had >> neither a proposal nor a CFC period. >> >> I strongly disagree with it. Can we take it down until consensus is >> reached? >> >> Evan >> >> >> >> >> On Sep 6, 2025 12:31, emelia <emelia@brandedcode.com <mailto:emelia@brandedcode.com>> wrote: >> >> The statement is co-signed by the following people involved in the >> specification of ActivityPub and ActivityStreams: >> >> * Dmitri Zagidulin (Social CG co-chair) — @dmitri@social.coop <https:// >> nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/? <http://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?> >> url=https%3A%2F%2Fsocial.coop%2F%40dmitri&data=05%7C02%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu <http://40yale.edu/>%7C1654126f756b49c8497508dded6490a9%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638927739884693632%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=PvkSWttC72FikQBWoLTZgiITyZPG5F4vQCOYmUtzFiA%3D&reserved=0> >> * Tantek Çelik (Former Social Web Working Group co-chair) — @tantek.com >> <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/? >> url=https%3A%2F%2Ftantek.com <http://2ftantek.com/>%2F&data=05%7C02%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu <http://40yale.edu/>%7C1654126f756b49c8497508dded6490a9%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638927739884711068%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=YohHiYdVJZ6KgSDBzHZdgsthcSygkpgu6q6d1psdryQ%3D&reserved=0> >> * James (Former SocialCG co-chair) — jamesg.blog <https:// >> nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/? <http://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?> >> url=https%3A%2F%2Fjamesg.blog%2F&data=05%7C02%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu <http://40yale.edu/>%7C1654126f756b49c8497508dded6490a9%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638927739884728669%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=gwSBEWvjCn3ZeV8%2Fs2ObMitw4OlIwZhxieaaTcmwb%2FE%3D&reserved=0> (@jamesg.blog@jamesg.blog <https://fed.brid.gy/r/https://jamesg.blog/>) >> * Chris Messina (Citizen Agency, creator of ActivityStreams) — >> @chrismessina.me <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/? >> url=https%3A%2F%2Fchrismessina.me <http://2fchrismessina.me/>%2F&data=05%7C02%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu <http://40yale.edu/>%7C1654126f756b49c8497508dded6490a9%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638927739884764931%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=EKjDnrV9f%2FWyfpeMiq0xYGzWcIpvh0h0fwyR22dC4rI%3D&reserved=0> >> * Christine Lemmer-Webber (Executive Director of Spritely, ActivityPub co- >> author/co-editor) — @cwebber <https:// >> nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/? <http://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?> >> url=https%3A%2F%2Fsocial.coop%2F%40cwebber&data=05%7C02%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu <http://40yale.edu/>%7C1654126f756b49c8497508dded6490a9%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638927739884781645%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=zYh0vxav8hq%2FqTzthLRaaXn6UG8QroEG5QEWtj%2BmF6s%3D&reserved=0> / https://dustycloud.org/<https://dustycloud.org/> >> * Darius Kazemi (Social Web CG member) — @darius@friend.camp <https:// >> nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/? <http://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?> >> url=https%3A%2F%2Ffriend.camp%2F%40darius&data=05%7C02%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu <http://40yale.edu/>%7C1654126f756b49c8497508dded6490a9%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638927739884816454%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=eFM9utkuu%2FsnzTujCSSLlyIxUliBzmJjmHvyM%2BoX%2B4E%3D&reserved=0> >> * >> >> (full list here: https://github.com/swicg/general/blob/master/ >> statements/2025-09-05-activitypub-and-atproto-discourse.md#co-signed-by- >> the-following-community-members <https:// >> nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/? <http://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?> >> url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com <http://2fgithub.com/>%2Fswicg%2Fgeneral%2Fblob%2Fmaster%2Fstatements%2F2025-09-05-activitypub-and-atproto-discourse.md%23co-signed-by-the-following-community-members&data=05%7C02%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu <http://40yale.edu/>%7C1654126f756b49c8497508dded6490a9%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638927739884834733%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=ODK%2BFrxyjJm1DFTNytlj7O7iPPc4M3iWwXfW9nxea84%3D&reserved=0> ) >> >> All the statement says is that we can be respectful towards one another, >> stop spreading misinformation about each >> other, and instead work together and learn from one another. That _is_ a >> good thing for the AcitvityPub and the >> entire open social web, in mine, and from what I can tell, their opinions. >> >> You are free to dissent though. So far you're the only voice within the >> people who work on the specifications that I have heard dissenting, though. >> >> Yours, >> Emelia >> >> On 6 Sep 2025, at 18:22, Evan Prodromou <evan@prodromou.name <mailto:evan@prodromou.name>> wrote: >> >> There's a statement published on the SWICG GitHub repo that had >> neither a proposal nor a CFC period. >> >> I strongly disagree with it. Can we take it down until consensus is >> reached? >> >> Evan >> >> >> >> >> On Sep 6, 2025 12:31, emelia <emelia@brandedcode.com <mailto:emelia@brandedcode.com>> wrote: >> >> The statement is co-signed by the following people involved in the >> specification of ActivityPub and ActivityStreams: >> >> * Dmitri Zagidulin (Social CG co-chair) — @dmitri@social.coop <https:// >> nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/? <http://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?> >> url=https%3A%2F%2Fsocial.coop%2F%40dmitri&data=05%7C02%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu <http://40yale.edu/>%7C1654126f756b49c8497508dded6490a9%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638927739884851587%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=%2BB5968YjeRatfEb1NniiP5gUDJb6eDlLcHUmsEKVHkY%3D&reserved=0> >> * Tantek Çelik (Former Social Web Working Group co-chair) — @tantek.com >> <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/? >> url=https%3A%2F%2Ftantek.com <http://2ftantek.com/>%2F&data=05%7C02%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu <http://40yale.edu/>%7C1654126f756b49c8497508dded6490a9%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638927739884868482%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=J6M%2FHgDeymLxsJdC3pVZg8bROCPotcGvWnAJK80qkJI%3D&reserved=0> >> * James (Former SocialCG co-chair) — jamesg.blog <https:// >> nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/? <http://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?> >> url=https%3A%2F%2Fjamesg.blog%2F&data=05%7C02%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu <http://40yale.edu/>%7C1654126f756b49c8497508dded6490a9%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638927739884886753%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=kXiACRFldDDqAylc1qe%2Bf1LGqhW3pIFSxvnmNlf12wk%3D&reserved=0> (@jamesg.blog@jamesg.blog <https://fed.brid.gy/r/https://jamesg.blog/>) >> * Chris Messina (Citizen Agency, creator of ActivityStreams) — >> @chrismessina.me <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/? >> url=https%3A%2F%2Fchrismessina.me <http://2fchrismessina.me/>%2F&data=05%7C02%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu <http://40yale.edu/>%7C1654126f756b49c8497508dded6490a9%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638927739884919874%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=6mvlJPrlx28YveUyoX0Ys3ER6vSB3uh5Mu266OwgE2U%3D&reserved=0> >> * Christine Lemmer-Webber (Executive Director of Spritely, ActivityPub co- >> author/co-editor) — @cwebber <https:// >> nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/? <http://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?> >> url=https%3A%2F%2Fsocial.coop%2F%40cwebber&data=05%7C02%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu <http://40yale.edu/>%7C1654126f756b49c8497508dded6490a9%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638927739884936384%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=laj8LgngC7Bl7os2ypuwMcoEHcpdyPxqNwLs5s34dIk%3D&reserved=0> / https://dustycloud.org/<https://dustycloud.org/> >> * Darius Kazemi (Social Web CG member) — @darius@friend.camp <https:// >> nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/? <http://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?> >> url=https%3A%2F%2Ffriend.camp%2F%40darius&data=05%7C02%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu <http://40yale.edu/>%7C1654126f756b49c8497508dded6490a9%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638927739884970075%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Iv1bfvjjE%2BrLxbITxy65psXfQc4uLRCGSIdKRKpgs1k%3D&reserved=0> >> * >> >> (full list here: https://github.com/swicg/general/blob/master/ >> statements/2025-09-05-activitypub-and-atproto-discourse.md#co-signed-by- >> the-following-community-members <https:// >> nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/? <http://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?> >> url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com <http://2fgithub.com/>%2Fswicg%2Fgeneral%2Fblob%2Fmaster%2Fstatements%2F2025-09-05-activitypub-and-atproto-discourse.md%23co-signed-by-the-following-community-members&data=05%7C02%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu <http://40yale.edu/>%7C1654126f756b49c8497508dded6490a9%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638927739884987962%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=GJQyy90fYL66w336fkTNwicJwv9V%2FyqWzRzoh5FNFnM%3D&reserved=0> ) >> >> All the statement says is that we can be respectful towards one another, >> stop spreading misinformation about each >> other, and instead work together and learn from one another. That _is_ a >> good thing for the AcitvityPub and the >> entire open social web, in mine, and from what I can tell, their opinions. >> >> You are free to dissent though. So far you're the only voice within the >> people who work on the specifications that I have heard dissenting, though. >> >> Yours, >> Emelia >> >> On 6 Sep 2025, at 18:22, Evan Prodromou <evan@prodromou.name <mailto:evan@prodromou.name>> wrote: >> >> There's a statement published on the SWICG GitHub repo that had >> neither a proposal nor a CFC period. >> >> I strongly disagree with it. Can we take it down until consensus is >> reached? >> >> Evan
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