- From: Sean O'Brien <sean.obrien@yale.edu>
- Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2025 16:03:57 -0400
- To: Evan Prodromou <evan@prodromou.name>, emelia <emelia@brandedcode.com>
- Cc: public-swicg@w3.org
I initially added my signature but request to remove it for the time being. I made the error of assuming that this was actually proposed and approved because it's in the SWICG repo on github. If it's approved by SWICG I'll sign, and if it's hosted / published outside of SWICG I'll sign. Thanks, Sean -- Sean O'Brien Associate Research Scholar, Yale Law School Founder, Privacy Lab at Yale Law School https://privacylab.yale.edu/ Director, Cybersecurity and Computer Science Programs & Assistant Professor, Bay Path University https://psafe.ly/baypath My Personal Newsletter: https://bitsontape.com/ PGP Key: E3043E61...F43E9CFB https://psafe.ly/pgp-yale On 9/6/25 12:43, Evan Prodromou wrote: > That sounds great, but as a group we operate by consensus. That means if there > are objections, we work through them before acting. > > We have not in over a decade of existence as a group published a position > statement like this. This statement was not discussed at our meeting yesterday, > nor was it put through a CFC process, which takes 14 days. > > There is no urgency that requires fast-tracking this document and skipping this > consensus process. > > I'm asking that the group operate with consensus and have a discussion, > including a vote and CFC, before publishing a statement. > > Evan > > On Sep 6, 2025 12:31, emelia <emelia@brandedcode.com> wrote: > > The statement is co-signed by the following people involved in the > specification of ActivityPub and ActivityStreams: > > * Dmitri Zagidulin (Social CG co-chair) — @dmitri@social.coop <https:// > nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/? > url=https%3A%2F%2Fsocial.coop%2F%40dmitri&data=05%7C02%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu%7C1654126f756b49c8497508dded6490a9%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638927739884172191%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=rPHUXRuqNyTChenWCAkm6%2FvmRh3OW4XqURPMHUOHUMY%3D&reserved=0> > * Tantek Çelik (Former Social Web Working Group co-chair) — @tantek.com > <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/? > url=https%3A%2F%2Ftantek.com%2F&data=05%7C02%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu%7C1654126f756b49c8497508dded6490a9%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638927739884202255%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=5bVbBbHthXm6%2BLjHBb7ID%2BRs9PtgUkog73jgX0AmSK4%3D&reserved=0> > * James (Former SocialCG co-chair) — jamesg.blog <https:// > nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/? > url=https%3A%2F%2Fjamesg.blog%2F&data=05%7C02%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu%7C1654126f756b49c8497508dded6490a9%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638927739884215024%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=4Uzd34PqaJA5w24saocBgJPCKV6YIsbw%2FGnLYl2YawE%3D&reserved=0> (@jamesg.blog@jamesg.blog <https://fed.brid.gy/r/https://jamesg.blog/>) > * Chris Messina (Citizen Agency, creator of ActivityStreams) — > @chrismessina.me <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/? > url=https%3A%2F%2Fchrismessina.me%2F&data=05%7C02%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu%7C1654126f756b49c8497508dded6490a9%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638927739884263350%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=ZWeiA%2FUj2yLpck%2BOk6pi0BRdWrgrqByET79WY1RZpgQ%3D&reserved=0> > * Christine Lemmer-Webber (Executive Director of Spritely, ActivityPub co- > author/co-editor) — @cwebber <https:// > nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/? > url=https%3A%2F%2Fsocial.coop%2F%40cwebber&data=05%7C02%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu%7C1654126f756b49c8497508dded6490a9%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638927739884278151%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Eun%2FHu6TZUenznHFdv%2FMJVFXdczS7eC4sQlrmp6G9oY%3D&reserved=0> / https://dustycloud.org/ <https://dustycloud.org/> > * Darius Kazemi (Social Web CG member) — @darius@friend.camp <https:// > nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/? > url=https%3A%2F%2Ffriend.camp%2F%40darius&data=05%7C02%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu%7C1654126f756b49c8497508dded6490a9%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638927739884310719%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=%2Bjq52%2FfG%2BppHiUDgvCU7rNxSrjWQsF3s9W8LZMHFcLI%3D&reserved=0> > * > > (full list here: https://github.com/swicg/general/blob/master/ > statements/2025-09-05-activitypub-and-atproto-discourse.md#co-signed-by- > the-following-community-members <https:// > nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/? > url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fswicg%2Fgeneral%2Fblob%2Fmaster%2Fstatements%2F2025-09-05-activitypub-and-atproto-discourse.md%23co-signed-by-the-following-community-members&data=05%7C02%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu%7C1654126f756b49c8497508dded6490a9%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638927739884325308%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=NOkZCIRMrj%2Fc8%2BekAp896KwfP5OXbnR6YangQaEn%2Fkw%3D&reserved=0> ) > > All the statement says is that we can be respectful towards one another, > stop spreading misinformation about each > other, and instead work together and learn from one another. That _is_ a > good thing for the AcitvityPub and the > entire open social web, in mine, and from what I can tell, their opinions. > > You are free to dissent though. So far you're the only voice within the > people who work on the specifications that I have heard dissenting, though. > > Yours, > Emelia > > On 6 Sep 2025, at 18:22, Evan Prodromou <evan@prodromou.name> wrote: > > There's a statement published on the SWICG GitHub repo that had > neither a proposal nor a CFC period. > > I strongly disagree with it. Can we take it down until consensus is > reached? > > Evan > > > > > On Sep 6, 2025 12:31, emelia <emelia@brandedcode.com> wrote: > > The statement is co-signed by the following people involved in the > specification of ActivityPub and ActivityStreams: > > * Dmitri Zagidulin (Social CG co-chair) — @dmitri@social.coop <https:// > nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/? > url=https%3A%2F%2Fsocial.coop%2F%40dmitri&data=05%7C02%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu%7C1654126f756b49c8497508dded6490a9%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638927739884338265%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Os4T8Jl8WYlSMKv%2FVDrc9GCz2wjJEo51HxyCqPrQ4LY%3D&reserved=0> > * Tantek Çelik (Former Social Web Working Group co-chair) — @tantek.com > <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/? > url=https%3A%2F%2Ftantek.com%2F&data=05%7C02%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu%7C1654126f756b49c8497508dded6490a9%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638927739884354976%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=BwoZEzkWEOPz9rNPirpCW237uCRyCFwRL0nrGGZ4RG4%3D&reserved=0> > * James (Former SocialCG co-chair) — jamesg.blog <https:// > nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/? > url=https%3A%2F%2Fjamesg.blog%2F&data=05%7C02%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu%7C1654126f756b49c8497508dded6490a9%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638927739884369359%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=hnCjutCWxyflDR%2BMaB2pTqC2KIyzL7VdFgFmVbkD%2Bic%3D&reserved=0> (@jamesg.blog@jamesg.blog <https://fed.brid.gy/r/https://jamesg.blog/>) > * Chris Messina (Citizen Agency, creator of ActivityStreams) — > @chrismessina.me <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/? > url=https%3A%2F%2Fchrismessina.me%2F&data=05%7C02%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu%7C1654126f756b49c8497508dded6490a9%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638927739884427580%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=wUykjO0%2FzEE4rROAV5tHH0OL6brDQ6lfE34B7NT%2F3mQ%3D&reserved=0> > * Christine Lemmer-Webber (Executive Director of Spritely, ActivityPub co- > author/co-editor) — @cwebber <https:// > nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/? > url=https%3A%2F%2Fsocial.coop%2F%40cwebber&data=05%7C02%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu%7C1654126f756b49c8497508dded6490a9%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638927739884457951%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=AIHX73lVyWcDyFshpQOtXEK6gA7cQugCyxqUHNax7t8%3D&reserved=0> / https://dustycloud.org/ <https://dustycloud.org/> > * Darius Kazemi (Social Web CG member) — @darius@friend.camp <https:// > nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/? > url=https%3A%2F%2Ffriend.camp%2F%40darius&data=05%7C02%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu%7C1654126f756b49c8497508dded6490a9%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638927739884489939%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=xr4gN%2BiorRCTwFB9ABaitr2f1FH0Ne96J0ILvFiEKGo%3D&reserved=0> > * > > (full list here: https://github.com/swicg/general/blob/master/ > statements/2025-09-05-activitypub-and-atproto-discourse.md#co-signed-by- > the-following-community-members <https:// > nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/? > url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fswicg%2Fgeneral%2Fblob%2Fmaster%2Fstatements%2F2025-09-05-activitypub-and-atproto-discourse.md%23co-signed-by-the-following-community-members&data=05%7C02%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu%7C1654126f756b49c8497508dded6490a9%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638927739884505099%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=O%2BWLDDGPnNE0ttMIXpCln2iktYGyq1v%2BHvjwH4q0ExI%3D&reserved=0> ) > > All the statement says is that we can be respectful towards one another, > stop spreading misinformation about each > other, and instead work together and learn from one another. That _is_ a > good thing for the AcitvityPub and the > entire open social web, in mine, and from what I can tell, their opinions. > > You are free to dissent though. So far you're the only voice within the > people who work on the specifications that I have heard dissenting, though. > > Yours, > Emelia > > On 6 Sep 2025, at 18:22, Evan Prodromou <evan@prodromou.name> wrote: > > There's a statement published on the SWICG GitHub repo that had > neither a proposal nor a CFC period. > > I strongly disagree with it. Can we take it down until consensus is > reached? > > Evan > > > > > On Sep 6, 2025 12:31, emelia <emelia@brandedcode.com> wrote: > > The statement is co-signed by the following people involved in the > specification of ActivityPub and ActivityStreams: > > * Dmitri Zagidulin (Social CG co-chair) — @dmitri@social.coop <https:// > nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/? > url=https%3A%2F%2Fsocial.coop%2F%40dmitri&data=05%7C02%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu%7C1654126f756b49c8497508dded6490a9%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638927739884519959%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=YonBFD5hud1%2BgHe59ZLRgOEv8ce82yCCKXeP6oWdRCw%3D&reserved=0> > * Tantek Çelik (Former Social Web Working Group co-chair) — @tantek.com > <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/? > url=https%3A%2F%2Ftantek.com%2F&data=05%7C02%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu%7C1654126f756b49c8497508dded6490a9%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638927739884540529%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=q1YPH8KrUtgjMw%2FN4OOGWjd9szkYjl7RM0T0uVTYFL0%3D&reserved=0> > * James (Former SocialCG co-chair) — jamesg.blog <https:// > nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/? > url=https%3A%2F%2Fjamesg.blog%2F&data=05%7C02%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu%7C1654126f756b49c8497508dded6490a9%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638927739884566058%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=49FZwX%2F2gUbLFLWnm9wZ8fPjv9r%2FhxtbSyNqT9p5SVU%3D&reserved=0> (@jamesg.blog@jamesg.blog <https://fed.brid.gy/r/https://jamesg.blog/>) > * Chris Messina (Citizen Agency, creator of ActivityStreams) — > @chrismessina.me <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/? > url=https%3A%2F%2Fchrismessina.me%2F&data=05%7C02%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu%7C1654126f756b49c8497508dded6490a9%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638927739884603349%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=bqapiP5tcb3t%2BkQWuDgC2WVGjIXIwuuKMlfaBH67ilY%3D&reserved=0> > * Christine Lemmer-Webber (Executive Director of Spritely, ActivityPub co- > author/co-editor) — @cwebber <https:// > nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/? > url=https%3A%2F%2Fsocial.coop%2F%40cwebber&data=05%7C02%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu%7C1654126f756b49c8497508dded6490a9%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638927739884621947%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=krdDV8k7ajtP%2FI%2BgPC%2BVMm4XuoY8TKzBG2dJG5QFVmQ%3D&reserved=0> / https://dustycloud.org/ <https://dustycloud.org/> > * Darius Kazemi (Social Web CG member) — @darius@friend.camp <https:// > nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/? > url=https%3A%2F%2Ffriend.camp%2F%40darius&data=05%7C02%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu%7C1654126f756b49c8497508dded6490a9%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638927739884659565%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=8DBaawoG%2BjS%2FiCyz92HC7Wo7Y3PESzAp8A4eK4ytCdg%3D&reserved=0> > * > > (full list here: https://github.com/swicg/general/blob/master/ > statements/2025-09-05-activitypub-and-atproto-discourse.md#co-signed-by- > the-following-community-members <https:// > nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/? > url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fswicg%2Fgeneral%2Fblob%2Fmaster%2Fstatements%2F2025-09-05-activitypub-and-atproto-discourse.md%23co-signed-by-the-following-community-members&data=05%7C02%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu%7C1654126f756b49c8497508dded6490a9%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638927739884676097%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=lBT7aEcjWRFJNf8jtYS9euu6s11V2i7o%2BLsvUnEpa4M%3D&reserved=0> ) > > All the statement says is that we can be respectful towards one another, > stop spreading misinformation about each > other, and instead work together and learn from one another. That _is_ a > good thing for the AcitvityPub and the > entire open social web, in mine, and from what I can tell, their opinions. > > You are free to dissent though. So far you're the only voice within the > people who work on the specifications that I have heard dissenting, though. > > Yours, > Emelia > > On 6 Sep 2025, at 18:22, Evan Prodromou <evan@prodromou.name> wrote: > > There's a statement published on the SWICG GitHub repo that had > neither a proposal nor a CFC period. > > I strongly disagree with it. Can we take it down until consensus is > reached? > > Evan > > > > > On Sep 6, 2025 12:31, emelia <emelia@brandedcode.com> wrote: > > The statement is co-signed by the following people involved in the > specification of ActivityPub and ActivityStreams: > > * Dmitri Zagidulin (Social CG co-chair) — @dmitri@social.coop <https:// > nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/? > url=https%3A%2F%2Fsocial.coop%2F%40dmitri&data=05%7C02%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu%7C1654126f756b49c8497508dded6490a9%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638927739884693632%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=PvkSWttC72FikQBWoLTZgiITyZPG5F4vQCOYmUtzFiA%3D&reserved=0> > * Tantek Çelik (Former Social Web Working Group co-chair) — @tantek.com > <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/? > url=https%3A%2F%2Ftantek.com%2F&data=05%7C02%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu%7C1654126f756b49c8497508dded6490a9%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638927739884711068%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=YohHiYdVJZ6KgSDBzHZdgsthcSygkpgu6q6d1psdryQ%3D&reserved=0> > * James (Former SocialCG co-chair) — jamesg.blog <https:// > nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/? > url=https%3A%2F%2Fjamesg.blog%2F&data=05%7C02%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu%7C1654126f756b49c8497508dded6490a9%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638927739884728669%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=gwSBEWvjCn3ZeV8%2Fs2ObMitw4OlIwZhxieaaTcmwb%2FE%3D&reserved=0> (@jamesg.blog@jamesg.blog <https://fed.brid.gy/r/https://jamesg.blog/>) > * Chris Messina (Citizen Agency, creator of ActivityStreams) — > @chrismessina.me <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/? > url=https%3A%2F%2Fchrismessina.me%2F&data=05%7C02%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu%7C1654126f756b49c8497508dded6490a9%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638927739884764931%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=EKjDnrV9f%2FWyfpeMiq0xYGzWcIpvh0h0fwyR22dC4rI%3D&reserved=0> > * Christine Lemmer-Webber (Executive Director of Spritely, ActivityPub co- > author/co-editor) — @cwebber <https:// > nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/? > url=https%3A%2F%2Fsocial.coop%2F%40cwebber&data=05%7C02%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu%7C1654126f756b49c8497508dded6490a9%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638927739884781645%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=zYh0vxav8hq%2FqTzthLRaaXn6UG8QroEG5QEWtj%2BmF6s%3D&reserved=0> / https://dustycloud.org/ <https://dustycloud.org/> > * Darius Kazemi (Social Web CG member) — @darius@friend.camp <https:// > nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/? > url=https%3A%2F%2Ffriend.camp%2F%40darius&data=05%7C02%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu%7C1654126f756b49c8497508dded6490a9%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638927739884816454%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=eFM9utkuu%2FsnzTujCSSLlyIxUliBzmJjmHvyM%2BoX%2B4E%3D&reserved=0> > * > > (full list here: https://github.com/swicg/general/blob/master/ > statements/2025-09-05-activitypub-and-atproto-discourse.md#co-signed-by- > the-following-community-members <https:// > nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/? > url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fswicg%2Fgeneral%2Fblob%2Fmaster%2Fstatements%2F2025-09-05-activitypub-and-atproto-discourse.md%23co-signed-by-the-following-community-members&data=05%7C02%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu%7C1654126f756b49c8497508dded6490a9%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638927739884834733%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=ODK%2BFrxyjJm1DFTNytlj7O7iPPc4M3iWwXfW9nxea84%3D&reserved=0> ) > > All the statement says is that we can be respectful towards one another, > stop spreading misinformation about each > other, and instead work together and learn from one another. That _is_ a > good thing for the AcitvityPub and the > entire open social web, in mine, and from what I can tell, their opinions. > > You are free to dissent though. So far you're the only voice within the > people who work on the specifications that I have heard dissenting, though. > > Yours, > Emelia > > On 6 Sep 2025, at 18:22, Evan Prodromou <evan@prodromou.name> wrote: > > There's a statement published on the SWICG GitHub repo that had > neither a proposal nor a CFC period. > > I strongly disagree with it. Can we take it down until consensus is > reached? > > Evan > > > > > On Sep 6, 2025 12:31, emelia <emelia@brandedcode.com> wrote: > > The statement is co-signed by the following people involved in the > specification of ActivityPub and ActivityStreams: > > * Dmitri Zagidulin (Social CG co-chair) — @dmitri@social.coop <https:// > nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/? > url=https%3A%2F%2Fsocial.coop%2F%40dmitri&data=05%7C02%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu%7C1654126f756b49c8497508dded6490a9%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638927739884851587%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=%2BB5968YjeRatfEb1NniiP5gUDJb6eDlLcHUmsEKVHkY%3D&reserved=0> > * Tantek Çelik (Former Social Web Working Group co-chair) — @tantek.com > <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/? > url=https%3A%2F%2Ftantek.com%2F&data=05%7C02%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu%7C1654126f756b49c8497508dded6490a9%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638927739884868482%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=J6M%2FHgDeymLxsJdC3pVZg8bROCPotcGvWnAJK80qkJI%3D&reserved=0> > * James (Former SocialCG co-chair) — jamesg.blog <https:// > nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/? > url=https%3A%2F%2Fjamesg.blog%2F&data=05%7C02%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu%7C1654126f756b49c8497508dded6490a9%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638927739884886753%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=kXiACRFldDDqAylc1qe%2Bf1LGqhW3pIFSxvnmNlf12wk%3D&reserved=0> (@jamesg.blog@jamesg.blog <https://fed.brid.gy/r/https://jamesg.blog/>) > * Chris Messina (Citizen Agency, creator of ActivityStreams) — > @chrismessina.me <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/? > url=https%3A%2F%2Fchrismessina.me%2F&data=05%7C02%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu%7C1654126f756b49c8497508dded6490a9%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638927739884919874%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=6mvlJPrlx28YveUyoX0Ys3ER6vSB3uh5Mu266OwgE2U%3D&reserved=0> > * Christine Lemmer-Webber (Executive Director of Spritely, ActivityPub co- > author/co-editor) — @cwebber <https:// > nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/? > url=https%3A%2F%2Fsocial.coop%2F%40cwebber&data=05%7C02%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu%7C1654126f756b49c8497508dded6490a9%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638927739884936384%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=laj8LgngC7Bl7os2ypuwMcoEHcpdyPxqNwLs5s34dIk%3D&reserved=0> / https://dustycloud.org/ <https://dustycloud.org/> > * Darius Kazemi (Social Web CG member) — @darius@friend.camp <https:// > nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/? > url=https%3A%2F%2Ffriend.camp%2F%40darius&data=05%7C02%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu%7C1654126f756b49c8497508dded6490a9%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638927739884970075%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Iv1bfvjjE%2BrLxbITxy65psXfQc4uLRCGSIdKRKpgs1k%3D&reserved=0> > * > > (full list here: https://github.com/swicg/general/blob/master/ > statements/2025-09-05-activitypub-and-atproto-discourse.md#co-signed-by- > the-following-community-members <https:// > nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/? > url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fswicg%2Fgeneral%2Fblob%2Fmaster%2Fstatements%2F2025-09-05-activitypub-and-atproto-discourse.md%23co-signed-by-the-following-community-members&data=05%7C02%7Csean.obrien%40yale.edu%7C1654126f756b49c8497508dded6490a9%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638927739884987962%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=GJQyy90fYL66w336fkTNwicJwv9V%2FyqWzRzoh5FNFnM%3D&reserved=0> ) > > All the statement says is that we can be respectful towards one another, > stop spreading misinformation about each > other, and instead work together and learn from one another. That _is_ a > good thing for the AcitvityPub and the > entire open social web, in mine, and from what I can tell, their opinions. > > You are free to dissent though. So far you're the only voice within the > people who work on the specifications that I have heard dissenting, though. > > Yours, > Emelia > > On 6 Sep 2025, at 18:22, Evan Prodromou <evan@prodromou.name> wrote: > > There's a statement published on the SWICG GitHub repo that had > neither a proposal nor a CFC period. > > I strongly disagree with it. Can we take it down until consensus is > reached? > > Evan > > >
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