Re: Can the SocialWeb save Google Groups? (or, at least do what it should do?)

I have not read an RFC in over 10 years so well worth us reading RFC3977
and maybe for an interest group and maybe have a video conference meeting
to discuss ?

https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc3977.html

Regards,

Aaron


On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 at 19:52, Bob Wyman <bob@wyman.us> wrote:

> Aaron wrote:
>
>> If we can create a modified ActivityPub standard that deals with
>> hierarchical comments and without the extras not in NNTP the specification
>> but with ActivityStreams style syntax/semantics and do it in OWL it would
>> be a good start.
>
>
> Could you define the subset of AS* that is sufficient to implement NNTP?
> Can you identify anything in NNTP that cannot be done with the existing AS*
> specs?
>
> bob wyman
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 2:27 PM Aaron Gray <aaronngray@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 9 Mar 2023 at 21:33, Bob Wyman <bob@wyman.us> wrote:
>>
>>> As discussed on /.
>>> <https://tech.slashdot.org/story/23/03/08/172217/google-groups-has-been-left-to-die>,
>>> yesterday, Andrew Helwer asked on his blog
>>> <https://ahelwer.ca/post/2023-03-08-google-groups/>: *"Google Groups
>>> has been left to die: Where should the formal methods community move?*
>>> *"* He suggests that Google Groups is in decline and that *"It’s clear
>>> we ran afoul of the old lesson: don’t build communities for long-lasting
>>> FOSS projects on proprietary infrastructure you don’t control."*
>>>
>>> It seems to me that the kind of discussion groups that started on USENET
>>> and then eventually migrated over to Google Groups are, in fact, "social"
>>> and thus might be usefully included within the scope of this group. (Even
>>> though NNTP is an IETF RFC, not a W3C standard.) In fact, it appears that
>>> one could construct a useful analog to these legacy systems using
>>> ActivityStreams and ActivityPub -- but not the way they are implemented in
>>> Mastodon or most other existing AS/AP systems. It is also quite clear that
>>> using a Federated approach to maintain this kind of discussion might
>>> protect them from the catastrophic loss that arises when a proprietary
>>> system decides to change its priorities.
>>>
>>> Is a future for USENET/Google Groups-like social interactions
>>> appropriately discussed here? Can or should the SocialWeb provide a new,
>>> more persistent, home for Helwer's Format Methods Community?
>>>
>>> What do you think?
>>>
>>>
>> I love the idea of restoring NNTP to its former glory, all we need is
>> Bayesian filtering and proper moderation to deal with the SPAM issues that
>> near enough killed it before google took it on and flattened its context.
>>
>> If we can create a modified ActivityPub standard that deals with
>> hierarchical comments and without the extras not in NNTP the specification
>> but with ActivityStreams style syntax/semantics and do it in OWL it would
>> be a good start.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Aaron
>> --
>> Aaron Gray
>>
>> Independent Open Source Software Engineer, Computer Language Researcher,
>> Information Theorist, and Computer Scientist.
>>
>>

-- 
Aaron Gray

Independent Open Source Software Engineer, Computer Language Researcher,
Information Theorist, and Computer Scientist.