- From: Erwin Ernst Steinhammer <eest9@posteo.eu>
- Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2023 21:53:57 +0000
- To: public-swicg@w3.org
- Message-ID: <75743254-b213-d8cf-8843-9a8b4d55a059@posteo.eu>
Hi Am 11.07.23 um 22:41 schrieb Melvin Carvalho: > út 11. 7. 2023 v 19:36 odesílatel Erwin Ernst Steinhammer > <eest9@posteo.eu> napsal: > > Hi, comments inside > út 11. 7. 2023 v 4:53 odesílatel Ben Savage <btsavage@meta.com> > napsal: >> What can Meta do to support the fediverse? How can we ensure our >> entry to this ecosystem is a positive thing that helps grow the >> community? How can we support this standard? These are the >> questions in my mind, and I'm really keen to start discussing >> this with all of you. > > I believe the biggest questions aren't about the protocol itself > (while there are things here too, like groups rights management or > a standardized way of moving accounts), the biggest questions are > about administration and moderation. How will you handle > defederations? When will you defederate another instance? How much > will you invest in moderation? Atm one of the big advantages of > the federated structure ist that Moderaters are part of the > community they are moderating hence are aware of context and local > social norms, as well as that there is accourding to accademic > estimates about 1 moderators per 500 users. Will Meta structure > there service in the same way and has enought humanpower to get to > a similar moderation ratio? And then there is also the question > about how you moderate your instance, there where some concerns > that you already encouraged some hate groups > (https://chaos.social/@alexis@alexisart.me/110665196718424215) > which would probablby lead to great defederation afforts against > you, which would lead to the question, why do you wanna implement > activitypub when it's possible that almost all instances will > defederate you? > > Here an other Talk from the ActivityPub Conference 2020 with a > talk from Derek about how moderation in federated services works: > https://conf.tube/w/sLCED7n6351UtA7QrvkSnU I think this could be > instructive for Meta to decide how to implement moderation tools > in a federated universe. Because you do not only have to moderate > your own instance but also moderate wherever you want to mute or > defederate other instances and how you react to defederations > towards your own instance. > > > While I understand the concept of defederation, it can inadvertently > penalize the innocent. For instance, let's say I use Mastodon and my > sister uses Facebook. If a disagreement arises between someone from my > instance and another instance, it leads to my connection with my > sister being severed, even though we aren't at fault. Wouldn't it be > more equitable in an open social web to empower individual users to > make their own decisions regarding such conflicts? Maybe something > that could be standardized? For me it's one of the reasons why I use federated services instead of fully decentralized services. I don't have the time nor the emotional energy to deal with every harmful user, spambot or unwanted contend. For me a federated system wouldn't have any advantages over a fully decentralized network without community based moderation best regards Erwin Ernst Steinhammer (they/them)
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