Re: Meta Unspools Threads

pá 7. 7. 2023 v 2:47 odesílatel Bob Wyman <bob@wyman.us> napsal:

> Melvin,
> I don't quite understand what you mean when you say:
>
>> They've divided the friendship graph and the activity protocol, unlike
>> ActivityPub's combined approach
>
>
> Can you elaborate a bit? Please forgive me if I'm being dense.
>

Threads leverages their existing Facebook/Instagram graph, which is
essentially a standalone friendship graph. The app can be built on top of
this, but with the activity part to be rolled out separately.  (how, we
dont know yet)

If, the activity component (ie an AP implementation) is also standalone,
that creates modular, clean separation. This approach mirrors Solid, which
maintains a social graph with ActivityPub to be layered on top.
ActivityPub merges activities, and profiles, into single specification,
leading to high coupling. However, as Meta possesses its own identity
system and plans to attach an activity system, this separation could
significantly enhance interoperability of protocols.

An open socal web that allows different identity systems to talk to each
other, but also is able to send activities from one system to another would
be a big innovation for the social web because it would allow heterogeneous
systems to interoperate without requiring, hard-to-manage bridges.

tl;dr decoupling identity and activity would open many new doors

>
>
> bob wyman
>
> On Thu, Jul 6, 2023 at 8:35 PM Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> pá 7. 7. 2023 v 0:20 odesílatel Aaron Gray <aaronngray@gmail.com> napsal:
>>
>>> On Thu, 6 Jul 2023 at 12:08, Robert W. Gehl <rwg@yorku.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>>  From what I understand, they don't support federation yet. It's a
>>>> single node right now.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes. I have looked at it and its a very minimal implementation, nothing
>>> new or innovative at all.
>>>
>>
>> We'll need to observe how the ActivityPub component is implemented, but
>> the innovation potential is immense. They've divided the friendship graph
>> and the activity protocol, unlike ActivityPub's combined approach, which
>> often complicates scalability, interoperability, and extensibility.
>>
>> This separation could allow Threads to scale remarkably well with proven
>> web architecture. We certainly need new ideas in this space, and Threads
>> could be the game-changer, enabling the open social web to overcome its
>> hurdles and compete with major players.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I really dont know how they are going to police or look after that many
>>> users suddenly joining.
>>>
>>> The way it is setup if you are on instagram or were on instagram it
>>> encourages you to connect them or reestablish use of instagram or to join
>>> instagram.
>>>
>>> Theres already talk of a legal case by Twitter against Threads :-
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/twitter-lawsuit-threads-meta-app-b2370866.html
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Aaron
>>>
>>> Aaron
>>>
>>>
>>>> - Rob
>>>>
>>>> On 2023-07-06 04:53, Melvin Carvalho wrote:
>>>> > Some stats:
>>>> >
>>>> > Zuckerberg said on Thursday that the app had attracted 10 million
>>>> > signups in just seven hours, sharing an emoji that suggested that his
>>>> > mind had been blown by the reception
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> https://techcrunch.com/2023/07/06/threads-delete-profile-instagram-meta/
>>>> > <
>>>> https://techcrunch.com/2023/07/06/threads-delete-profile-instagram-meta/
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > So, it's possibly the majority of the fediverse now.  Has anyone
>>>> tried
>>>> > federating with it?
>>>> >
>>>> > čt 6. 7. 2023 v 10:38 odesílatel Melvin Carvalho
>>>> > <melvincarvalho@gmail.com <mailto:melvincarvalho@gmail.com>> napsal:
>>>> >
>>>> >     Seems a significant development
>>>> >
>>>> >     https://www.platformer.news/p/meta-unspools-threads
>>>> >     <https://www.platformer.news/p/meta-unspools-threads>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Robert W. Gehl (he/him/his)
>>>> Ontario Research Chair of Digital Governance for Social Justice, York
>>>> University
>>>> Fulbright Scholar, University of Calgary
>>>> www.robertwgehl.org | @rwg@aoir.social
>>>>
>>>> Sent from our OS on our Internet
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Aaron Gray - @AaronNGray@fosstodon.org
>>>
>>> Independent Open Source Software Engineer, Computer Language Researcher,
>>> Information Theorist, and Computer Scientist.
>>>
>>>