Re: On Tim's testimony at the US Senate comm

Paul Walsh, Segala wrote:
> I agree it's not for SWEO but hey, doesn't stop us from having some idle
> banter about it for a few minutes - given that the SW is one of the W3C's
> most important initiative - is it no 1?

Well, this mail reaches lots of people on the list, some of those
neither living in Europe, nor even necessarily understand what our
problems are with, say, the EU. I am happy to talk about this, but let
us not do that on this mailing list...

> 
> I hear what you're saying about the EU - perhaps the W3C could play a role
> in bringing each government to the table? That is, over and above standards
> discussions... 

I wish. You seem to overestimate our possibilities and reach:-( Although
we have recently started to look at eGovernmental issues but I am afraid
our role will remain purely technical...

Ivan

> 
> I'm listening to Tim as I'm working and wouldn't expect to hear anything
> different. 
> 
> Ok, when I blog this (am writing now) I'll forget the "is the US taking
> ownership" tone and change it to "why isn't the rest of the world doing
> this".
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: public-sweo-ig-request@w3.org [mailto:public-sweo-ig-request@w3.org]
> 
> On
> 
>>Behalf Of Ivan Herman
>>Sent: 05 March 2007 11:20
>>To: Paul Walsh, Segala
>>Cc: 'Ian Davis'; 'W3C SW Education and Outreach IG'
>>Subject: Re: On Tim's testimony at the US Senate comm
>>
>>Paul,
>>
>>As a European, I would love if the EU had a similar type of public
>>hearing to exchange ideas that are relevant for our future. As a
>>European, it saddens me that it does not happen! And until such things
>>happen in Europe, we are doomed to be at the mercy of what happens, for
>>example, in the US, because we do not have the muscle. But that goes
>>far, in direction of European integration, the role of the EU, etc; it
>>is a long story that I can become quite passionate about, but is
>>certainly not an issue for SWEO:-)
>>
>>But, of course, point is well taken. Having said that, Tim made this
>>point repeatedly in his testimony. No regulation in one country, no
>>control of one company and country over the Internet and the Web, no
>>royalty on fundamental technologies, etc. These are all important points
>>and it is good that this is given such a high level publicity.
>>
>>I.
>>
>>Paul Walsh, Segala wrote:
>>
>>>.... what does it tell you about the fact that they're debating 'it'
> 
> without
> 
>>>any input from the EU. Again I could be reading too much into it so I
> 
> look
> 
>>>forward to more feedback :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: public-sweo-ig-request@w3.org
> 
> [mailto:public-sweo-ig-request@w3.org]
> 
>>>On
>>>
>>>
>>>>Behalf Of Ian Davis
>>>>Sent: 05 March 2007 11:00
>>>>To: Paul Walsh, Segala; Ivan Herman; W3C SW Education and Outreach IG
>>>>Subject: RE: On Tim's testimony at the US Senate comm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I guess anyone can debate it, but they can't necessarily decide it :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: public-sweo-ig-request@w3.org
>>>>>[mailto:public-sweo-ig-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Paul Walsh, Segala
>>>>>Sent: 05 March 2007 10:58
>>>>>To: 'Ivan Herman'; 'W3C SW Education and Outreach IG'
>>>>>Subject: RE: On Tim's testimony at the US Senate comm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Doesn't the title give it away?
>>>>>
>>>>>"US Congress Telecommuncations and the Internet Subcommittee
>>>>>Hearing on the Future of the Web"
>>>>>
>>>>>How is the future of the Web something which the US Congress
>>>>>can debate? Or am I reading too much into this? Are they
>>>>>talking about the future of *the Web*, or the future of the
>>>>>Web for *US citizens*?
>>>>>
>>>>>I ask the questions because I'm privy to how ICANN really
>>>>>works as apposed to how it's supposed to be non-US and independent.
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks
>>>>>Paul
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>From: public-sweo-ig-request@w3.org
>>>>>>[mailto:public-sweo-ig-request@w3.org]
>>>>>
>>>>>On
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Behalf Of Ivan Herman
>>>>>>Sent: 05 March 2007 10:28
>>>>>>To: W3C SW Education and Outreach IG
>>>>>>Subject: On Tim's testimony at the US Senate comm
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Just for our own records...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Most of what Tim BL said about SW (and other things) is really not
>>>>>>US-centric:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://people.w3.org/~djweitzner/blog/?p=86
>>>>>>
>>>>>>there are also pointers at a video recording of the hearing
>>>>>
>>>>>(but it is
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>over 2 hours:-):
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2403173232594560736&hl=en
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ivan
>>>>>>
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