Re: RDF resource list in RDF

Hi Paul,

Paul Walsh, Segala wrote:
> In response to previous emails/meeting.
> 
> F2F looks like it was productive - especially with the amount of tasks Susie
> received ;)
> 
> Regarding tasks/responsibilities; 
> Either David's comments weren't captured in the minutes entirely, or he
> forgot to mention that Segala doesn't just provide Content Labelling for
> Accessibility. We are also building a system to make Content Labelling
> easier for other Trust providers to adopt quickly and cheaply. Mass adoption
> is what we're after. I think this is important to note because Content
> Labelling is a current W3C initiative about to move onto a full
> recommendation track in order to replace PICS - current method of filtering
> adopted by IE.
> 

thanks for the additional data about Segala. Does this mean that you
will also participate in the Content Labelling group if it gets off the
ground? (I'd think so...)

> I'd like to take on the responsibility of managing the relationship/bridging
> the gap between the SWEO and Web 2.0 communities. 

Thanks!

>                                                     Ivan, to get this started;
> can you please ask TimBL if he will do some interviews? I can set them up
> for the main Web 2.0 commentators (I've already been approached!). I think
> this will be a great 'start' for the outreach. I'm doing some interviews but
> feel TimBL (for some strange reason) will draw in the crowds a little better
> than me :) 
> 

Knowing the incredibly busy schedule of Tim, this may prove to be quite
difficult. In any case, you will have to contact Amy (amy@w3.org), she
has the full power on Tim's schedule; such request should be sent to
w3t-pr@w3.org, too. The only influence I would have on this if we make
it very clear *why* we need this, for what purpose in SWEO. I would
propose to discuss this a bit more (on the telco, for example) before we
engage into that...

> Doing interviews with the Web 2.0 community is the best start IMHO - getting
> the immediate attention of more than a few hundred thousand qualified
> people, a lot of whom blog themselves, will be much more 'engaging' than
> speaking to a traditional print publication. The traditional publications
> will pick up from these guys anyway...
> 

We has some discussion on that at the f2f, in what we referred to as
'questionnaire', and we did identify some people to talk to. Do you
think here of a more 'formal' interview, like with a reporter?


> I would still like the group to focus more on the Semantic Web and not RDF.
> This group is supposed to be focused on education and outreach. RDF is an
> 'enabler'. If I was to setup an outreach programme to increase the amount of
> retailers on the high street in order to stimulate more spend, I'm not going
> to teach people how to build a shop using the most appropriate and durable
> brick.
> 

:-)

> So, again, what is the Semantic Web going to do that will make a true
> difference to the Web? I'm extremely passionate about the SW (a_n_d the
> power of RDF) and my company strategy is actually based on it (although our
> site paints 10% of the picture). 
> 
> I'd like us to focus on the social stuff; how will the SW effect
> 'Search/Findability', 'Trust', 'Relevance'... - all the things that
> techies/grannies care about. I know RDF underpins all of this, but let's
> start from scratch. Talking about RDF from the start will get us into the
> usual debate without actually highlighting the good things we want to
> achieve. 
> 

I think I understand what you say. The slight worry I have, though (but
that may be only me) that we would divert into some sort of a very
general (though fascinating!) discussion on the future of the Web and
the Universe in general, and we have to set some limits to ourselves...


> I'm very sorry if I appear to be preaching, it's not my intention to do

Don't be!

> this. I'm just trying to bring my slant. We've all got something to bring,
> so don't think for a second that I feel I 'have the answer'! :) 
> 
> I'm very much in favour of talking about RDF so I apologise if I appear to
> be hampering useful discussion in this area. I'd like to see a focused
> discussion that separates the problem/resolution (the SW) from the 'how'
> (RDF).
> 

Cheers,

Ivan

> Cheers
> Paul
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: public-sweo-ig-request@w3.org [mailto:public-sweo-ig-request@w3.org]
> On Behalf Of Ivan Herman
> Sent: 20 November 2006 10:35
> To: Danny Ayers
> Cc: public-sweo-ig@w3.org
> Subject: Re: RDF resource list in RDF
> 
> 
> 
> Danny Ayers wrote:
> 
>>It would be nice to make RDF from some of the other resource lists,
> 
> 
> Does anyody knows how to do that with moin-moin wiki pages? The tool
> list on the wiki
> 
> http://esw.w3.org/topic/SemanticWebTools
> 
> relies, well, on moin-moin. B.t.w., we are looking at the Semantic Wiki
> Media with Wing, but I am not sure it is already in production quality.
> If it was, and we had it installed somewhere, a one time pain would be
> to convert these things to media wiki with annotations, and we would get
> the RDF data for free...
> 
> [Using the wiki for such list is my favourite. Since the various tool
> list on the W3C site have been collected and moved there, numeruous
> updates just came it via the community help. And that is great]
> 
> I.
> 
> 
> 
>>but more fun would be to run a crawler/scutter over the URIs in the
>>RDF, to see if there were DOAP or FOAF files nearby to fill out the
>>data some more.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Danny.
>>
>>
>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
> 
> 

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Ivan Herman, W3C Semantic Web Activity Lead
URL: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/
PGP Key: http://www.cwi.nl/%7Eivan/AboutMe/pgpkey.html
FOAF: http://www.ivan-herman.net/foaf.rdf