Re: SWEO Introductions...

Paul,

two things:

(1) there are some resources you could use and that may be helpful

- a (draft) talking point set that we put together on Web2.0 vs. SW
before the XTech conference earlier this year:

http://www.w3.org/2006/05/SW_Web2.html

- the press release we issued lately on GRDDL:

http://www.w3.org/2006/10/grddl-pressrelease

I think both have some useful words on how at W3C we look at this. The
basic point is that we really do not want to look for confrontation when
there is none...

(2) I am at home today, and have a relatively easy day. If you want to
call me with specific things, please do: +31-20-6478592. We can at least
make use of the fact that we are (almost) in the same timezone:-)

Ivan

Paul Walsh, Segala wrote:
> You put it very nicely Ivan :) I'd like to think I was using similar
> language when talking to my team about this yesterday. [1]
> 
> As it happens, I'm meeting Sam Sethi tomorrow to talk about a communication
> plan to articulate to the industry, how Segala is helping to enable Trust
> using semantic methods (is this the right phraseology?), but we have
> specifically scheduled time to talk about GRDDL and how 'we' can put it to
> use. Sam is extremely well connected - he's ex head of strategy for MSN UK
> and his wife until recently, was head of MSN UK. FYI, I met him the other
> week with the guys who created Beebo and milliondollarhomepage amongst other
> tech/social savvy companies who in my opinion, would benefit greatly from
> all of this stuff. Social sites and companies such as Wee Mee is a good
> place as any for the use of FOAF, to give people one consistent identity
> across the Web, irrespective of what character they use across multiple
> platforms and sites. 
> 
> I'm not sure if I mentioned this or not, but Sam would like to run an event
> specifically for what Segala is working on and then have an article
> translated for all other TechCrunch sites around the world - apologies if
> I'm boring you with the same stuff). There is a slim chance of me
> demonstrating stuff at Le Web 3.0 [2] (don't ask but take a peak at some of
> the speakers). 
> 
> Ok, so onto the reason I'm telling you all this... what if anything, can I
> leverage to ensure I speak in the most appropriate tone using the right
> terminology to ensure I can do some good for the group? Any advice/direction
> would be greatly appreciated. I want to ensure I get things right before I
> get these people actually using semantic solutions.
> 
> If I had some kind of backing from the w3c or others within this group I/we
> might be able to punch our weight. This could start with something as small
> as a script that I could use. If some of the great companies on this list
> were prepared to offer speakers at events, we could arrange a Web 2.0 like
> team that the industry could refer to. I think Alex's idea of a definitive
> site that's dedicated to this cause and the companies that endorse it is a
> great idea that we should discuss as a group. We should have things such as
> a forum/blog etc.
> 
> [1] http://www.techcrunch.co.uk/ 
> [2] http://www.leweb3.com/ 
> 
> Again I'd like to apologise for the bombardment of 'me' and 'us' but I'm
> trying to paint a picture for the group to provide some advice on how I can
> best promote the cause.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Paul
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: public-sweo-ig-request@w3.org [mailto:public-sweo-ig-request@w3.org]
> On Behalf Of Ivan Herman
> Sent: 01 November 2006 08:32
> To: Paul Walsh, Segala
> Cc: public-sweo-ig@w3.org
> Subject: Re: SWEO Introductions...
> 
> Hi Paul,
> 
> thanks for pointing this out. I must say it is one of many...
> 
> I think we should clearly come up with some text that clarifies this
> percieved controversy between 'Semantic Web' and the 'semantic web'. In
> my view, all these go into the same direction, namely in what we might
> call a 'Web of Data'; the rest is only a technological difference that
> we may have to bridge here and there. Witness the GRDDL evolution that
> will bind the microformat world to RDF...
> 
> To be discussed at the F2F, that is for sure...
> 
> Thanks again
> 
> Ivan
> 
> Paul Walsh, Segala wrote:
> 
>>Hi to Jeff and all those who introduced themselves recently.
>>
>> 
>>
>>Thought you might be interested to see this from TechCrunch UK
>>
> 
> *http://uk.techcrunch.com/2006/10/30/tagging-microformats-and-rss-beat-the-s
> emantic-web/*
> 
>>
>> 
>>
>>Paul
>>
>> 
>>
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>>*From:* public-sweo-ig-request@w3.org
>>[mailto:public-sweo-ig-request@w3.org] *On Behalf Of *Jeff Pollock
>>*Sent:* 30 October 2006 23:32
>>*To:* public-sweo-ig@w3.org
>>*Subject:* SWEO Introductions...
>>
>> 
>>
>>Hi, I am Jeff Pollock. I've been involved in one way or another with
>>semantic technology since 2001 and have had the opportunity to serve in
>>various technology leadership roles with Modulant, Cerebra and now with
>>Oracle in order to apply this technology to enterprise software
>>challenges. In due course I've spoken at dozens of events, hundreds of
>>sales pitches, and to thousands of developers in favor of semantic
>>technology and am quite anxious for this group to avoid repeating my
>>mistakes!  J 
>>
>> 
>>
>>Although I don't lay any claims to its greatness, the book I authored on
>>the subject, "adaptive information," did force me to think deeply about
>>how to communicate the benefits of semantic technology to various
>>audiences. In practice, the sales efforts for enterprise software were
>>much more of a realtime validation of those communication strategies -
>>and although I've struck out many times, I have been successful with
>>selling several million dollars worth of ontology-driven software to
>>large organizations in the past few years. Additional biography and
>>publications info can be found here: *http://me.jtpollock.us/*
>>
>> 
>>
>>I will be working directly and indirectly (via Susie) with SWEO to help
>>with use case development and value proposition definition. I look
>>forward to meeting all of you in person!
>>
>> 
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>> 
>>
>>-Jeff-
>>
>> 
>>
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>>
>>Oracle
>>
>> 
>>
>>Jeff T. Pollock
>>Senior Director
>>Fusion Middleware
>>
>>Mobile: 415-971-2223
>>
>>Fax:    801-607-6504
>>
>>Email:  *jeff.pollock@oracle.com* <mailto:jeff.pollock@oracle.com>
>>
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>>Direct: 650-504-4700
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> 
> 

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