- From: Ralph R. Swick <swick@w3.org>
- Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 12:21:59 -0500
- To: public-swd-wg@w3.org
The minutes of today's Semantic Web Deployment Working Group telecon
[1] are now ready. Thanks, Diego, for scribing this meeting.
[1] http://www.w3.org/2009/01/13-swd-minutes.html
A text snapshot follows.
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SWD
13 Jan 2009
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Jan/0041.html
See also: [3]IRC log, previous [4]2009-01-06
[3] http://www.w3.org/2009/01/13-swd-irc
[4] http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-swd-minutes.html
Attendees
Present
Tom Baker, Ralph Swick, Diego Berrueta, Antoine Isaac,
Alistair Miles, Ben Adida, Jon Phipps, Ed Summers
Regrets
Sean Bechhofer, Daniel Rubin, Guus Schreiber
Chair
Tom
Scribe
Diego
Contents
* Topics
1. Admin
2. RDFa
3. Recipes
4. RDFa metadata note
5. AOB
6. SKOS
7. mapping properties
* Summary of Action Items
_____________________________________________________
Admin
RESOLVED to accept minutes of the Jan 06 telecon:
[14]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-swd-minutes.html
[14] http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-swd-minutes.html
TomB: our charter has been extended to end of apr
RDFa
ACTION: Ben review RDFa Use Cases and propose transition to Group
Note [recorded in
[15]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/30-swd-minutes.html#action02]
[CONTINUES]
[15] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/30-swd-minutes.html#action02
BenA: we're in the middle of a discussion with the XHTML WG re use
cases
BenA: working now to provide guidance about adding rdfa in HTML
TomB: any isssues?
<Guus> [i will not be able to join sorry]
<TomB> [ok]
BenA: introduction of a new attribute to declare namespaces in html
(not xmlns)
... @prefix
... another issue, ability to import profiles specially targeted to
common patterns (i.e., vocabularies)
... for instance, social networks
... focus on browser features vs. data extracted from RDFa-documents
TomB: any pointers to the discussion?
BenA: in the XHTML WG mailing list
Recipes
ACTION: Ralph to review the revised Recipes draft [recorded in
[16]http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-swd-minutes.html#action15]
[CONTINUES]
[16] http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-swd-minutes.html#action15
ACTION: Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of Recipes
implementations] [recorded in
[17]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20]
[CONTINUES]
[17] http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20
RDFa metadata note
ACTION: Ralph post his comments on the editor's draft of the
metadata note [recorded in
[18]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action03]
[CONTINUES]
[18] http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action03
AOB
ACTION: Guus to look at OWL documents for review [recorded in
[19]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/21-swd-minutes.html#action10]
[CONTINUES]
[19] http://www.w3.org/2008/10/21-swd-minutes.html#action10
SKOS
ACTION: Ralph send CR transition request for SKOS [recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-swd-minutes.html#action01] [DONE]
[20] http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-swd-minutes.html#action01
<Ralph> [21]Transition Request: SKOS to Candidate Recommendation
[Ralph 2009-01-07]
[21] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/chairs/2009JanMar/0000.html
** SKOS primer
ACTION: Antoine to prepare revised draft of SKOS Primer ready for
decision to publish as WD [recorded in
[22]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-swd-minutes.html#action04] [DONE]
[22] http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-swd-minutes.html#action04
-> [23]Revised draft of SKOS Primer
[23] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Jan/0042.html
TomB: propose we take a decision to publish as WD
Ralph: I'm ok to proceed
TomB: I'm the main reviewer, I'm ok with publishing
... some issues may need futher discussion, maybe later in this
telecon, they are non-blocking
<Ralph> [24]Editor's Draft 13 January 2009
[24] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/primer/primer-20090113.html
PROPOSED to publish
[25]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/primer/primer-20090113.html
as WD
[25] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/primer/primer-20090113.html
Antoine: both versions are the same
...
[26]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/primer/primer-20090113.html
is the same as the wiki attachment
[26] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/primer/primer-20090113.html
TomB: any discussion?
<Ralph> +1 to publish
RESOLVED to publish
[27]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/primer/primer-20090113.html
as WD
[27] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/primer/primer-20090113.html
<aliman> nice work!
TomB: thanks Ed and Antoine
** SKOS Impl report
ACTION: Guus to report on usage of SKOS in vocabularies at VU for
SKOS implementation report [recorded in
[28]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-swd-minutes.html#action09]
[CONTINUES]
[28] http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-swd-minutes.html#action09
ACTION: Sean to report on SKOSED for SKOS implementation report
[recorded in
[29]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-swd-minutes.html#action10]
[CONTINUES]
[29] http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-swd-minutes.html#action10
TomB: Ralph: what's the status of our CR request?
Ralph: send, probably reply by this week
TomB: when our CR is published, we can make a call for impl
Ralph: it's part of the CR announcement
TomB: call for impl should include updated pointer to Primer
Ralph: I'll make sure they cross-reference each one
... do we have a draft of the impl report in any form?
TomB: none I'm aware of
Ralph: I would like to have content for the URI I put in the draft
Status
... but if we don't have one, that's ok
TomB: re Impl Report, I would like to talk about LCSH
<Ralph> I wrote "An implementation report will be available at
[30]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/implementation-report " and
that URI is currently 404
[30] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/implementation-report
<Ralph> (which is OK, until we actually publish :)
TomB: what the situation is about LCSH in SKOS?
edsu: they want to have it running for an upcoming conference
<aliman> I've read all the comments at [31]http://lcsh.info -- all
very constructive I thought
[31] http://lcsh.info/
aliman: we have more than enough vocabs
Ralph: we have six weeks to deliver the impl report, lcsh.info may
be included as an experiment if it's online at the time
<Ralph> Ralph: [32]http://lcsh.info/comments1.html is now an
important piece of our history :) so if and when the experimental
data reappears at lcsh.info, I hope
[33]http://lcsh.info/comments1.html will also remain 'cool' :)
[32] http://lcsh.info/comments1.html
[33] http://lcsh.info/comments1.html
<edsu> Ralph++
Antoine: we can mention LCSH in the Impl Report even if not online
at that time
<Ralph> [I wish I hadn't been off the 'net during that period to add
my comments.]
TomB: i would be nice to know who to contact in LCSH regarding
statements about skos usage
<edsu> Barbara Tillett is your best bet
mapping properties
TomB: re: discussion about RDF struct values, I don't see this as a
blocker
<TomB>
[34]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Jan/0039.h
tml
[34] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Jan/0039.html
TomB: section on the primer about mapping/standard/ properties,
three paragraphs, need more discussion
Antoine: I could buy your story
JonP: the mappings aren't owned by either schema, but by the creator
of the mapping
TomB: Alistair suggested to drop the paragraph, I rather think to
replace it
... the challenge is to articulate what the distinction is. Not sure
if the current text does that
Tom: I think we can better articulate the difference between mapping
properties and standard semantic properties
<aliman> SKOS Reference: The mapping properties skos:broadMatch,
skos:narrowMatch and skos:relatedMatch are provided as a
convenience, for situations where the provenance of data is known,
and it is useful to be able to tell "at a glance" the difference
between internal links within a concept scheme and mapping links
between concept schemes.
JonP: better replaced than dropped
TomB: the question is who feels in the position to make assortments
about standard properties as opposite to mapping relationships
aliman: I rather say as little as possible
<Ralph> [perhaps we can note that we recognize a need for standard
ways to communicate provenance in the Semantic Web and when we have
such mechanisms, the answer to this question of what one thesaurus
provider says versus what others say about the thesaurus will become
more explicit]
aliman: there is enough in the examples in the Primer
... i think it's difficult to say more than the quotation from the
SKOS Reference
Ralph: it's outside scope of SKOS to differenciate triples with
regard to their source
<aliman> +1 on what ralph says, hence SKOS Reference says: However,
using the SKOS mapping properties is no substitute for the careful
management of RDF graphs or the use of provenance mechanisms.
<TomB> [The argument could run as follows: Ideally, we should be
able
<edsu> Ralph++ # well said
TomB: actually the text I propose says that
<Antoine> +1
Ralph: we're both thinking in the same line
aliman: we don't have best practices to represent provenance. This
may be a convention you may follow
<Antoine>
[35]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Jan/0039.h
tml
[35] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Jan/0039.html
<TomB>
[36]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Jan/0039.h
tml
[36] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Jan/0039.html
TomB: if we don't say anything about the distinction, people will
wonder what the distinction is
<Ralph> [ah, I see the difference Alistair points out between my
thoughts and Tom's text. I'll have to think about this more. Thanks,
Alistair.]
Antoine: I would be happy if we say sthg about mapping relations in
the Primer
<Ralph> [it's still out of scope for SKOS to say anything about
provenance :) ]
TomB: propose we move the discussion to the list
... next meeting?
<edsu> thanks everyone for the useful discussion of
loc.gov/lcsh/skos issues
TomB: I propose we meet next week even if a short call
[adjourned]
<Antoine> [37]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/06-swd-minutes.html#item04
[37] http://www.w3.org/2008/05/06-swd-minutes.html#item04
Summary of Action Items
[PENDING] ACTION: Ben review RDFa Use Cases and propose transition
to Group Note [recorded in
[38]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/30-swd-minutes.html#action02]
[PENDING] ACTION: Guus to look at OWL documents for review [recorded
in [39]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/21-swd-minutes.html#action10]
[PENDING] ACTION: Guus to report on usage of SKOS in vocabularies at
VU for SKOS implementation report [recorded in
[40]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-swd-minutes.html#action09]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ralph post his comments on the editor's draft of
the metadata note [recorded in
[41]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action03]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ralph to review the revised Recipes draft
[recorded in
[42]http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-swd-minutes.html#action15]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of
Recipes implementations] [recorded in
[43]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20]
[PENDING] ACTION: Sean to report on SKOSED for SKOS implementation
report [recorded in
[44]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-swd-minutes.html#action10]
[DONE] ACTION: Antoine to prepare revised draft of SKOS Primer ready
for decision to publish as WD [recorded in
[45]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-swd-minutes.html#action04]
[DONE] ACTION: Ralph send CR transition request for SKOS [recorded
in [46]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-swd-minutes.html#action01]
[38] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/30-swd-minutes.html#action02
[39] http://www.w3.org/2008/10/21-swd-minutes.html#action10
[40] http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-swd-minutes.html#action09
[41] http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action03
[42] http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-swd-minutes.html#action15
[43] http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20
[44] http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-swd-minutes.html#action10
[45] http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-swd-minutes.html#action04
[46] http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-swd-minutes.html#action01
[End of minutes]
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