- From: Ralph R. Swick <swick@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 13:46:37 -0400
- To: public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf@w3.org,public-swd-wg@w3.org
The record of today's RDF-in-XHTML Task Force telecon is now available http://www.w3.org/2008/10/02-rdfa-minutes.html A text snapshot follows. ---- RDF-in-XHTML Task Force 02 Oct 2008 [2]Agenda [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Oct/0008.html See also: [3]IRC log, previous [4]2008-09-18 [3] http://www.w3.org/2008/10/02-rdfa-irc [4] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/18-rdfa-minutes.html Attendees Present Jeremy Carroll, Ralph Swick, Ben Adida, Mark Birbeck Regrets Michael Hausenblas, Shane McCarron Chair Ben Scribe Ralph Contents * Topics 1. Action Review 2. Primer * Summary of Action Items _____________________________________________________ Action Review ACTION: [CONTINUES] Ben to close loop with Danny. [recorded in [9]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/18-rdfa-minutes.html#action19] [9] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/18-rdfa-minutes.html#action19 Ben: [10]wrote to Danny, don't have a response [10] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Sep/0122.html ACTION: [DONE] Ben to determine how to highlight RDFa at TPAC [recorded in [11]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/18-rdfa-minutes.html#action17] [11] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/18-rdfa-minutes.html#action17 Ralph: 2 opportunities -> [12]TP Agenda [12] http://www.w3.org/2008/10/TPAC/TPDay-Agenda.html Ralph: 2 lightning talk sessions ... also a "Semantic Web Demo" session Jeremy, Mark: we'll be at TP Ben: showing the Drupal work, or SearchMonkey, or Ubiquity w/RDFa would be good ... we have more showy stuff than last year Ralph: let Ivan know if you have a brief demo you could offer Jeremy: I might offer a demo ACTION: [DONE] Ben to log Danny's issue to tracker. [recorded in [13]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/18-rdfa-minutes.html#action18] [13] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/18-rdfa-minutes.html#action18 -> [14]issue 128; PR Comment: Default Graph [14] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/128 ACTION: [CONTINUES] Mark create base wizard suitable for cloning [recorded in [15]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action12] [15] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action12 ACTION: [CONTINUES] Mark write foaf examples for wiki [recorded in [16]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action13] [16] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action13 ACTION: [DONE] Ben to figure out *how* to do the namespace-doc GRDDL thing [recorded in [17]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action18] [17] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action18 Ben: Ralph went ahead and did it ACTION: [DROPPED] Jeremy review and consider expanding the description of TopBraid in the RDFa wiki [recorded in [18]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action02] [18] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action02 ACTION: [CONTINUES] Jeremy to demonstrate GRDDL with XHTML/RDFa once the NS URI is set up. [recorded in [19]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action03] [19] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action03 ACTION: [CONTINUES] Manu talk with Jamie McCarthy about an AskSlashdot piece [recorded in [20]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action04] [20] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action04 ACTION: [DONE] Manu to upload test harness source code to W3C CVS. [recorded in [21]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action07] [21] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action07 -> [22]RDFa CVS repository on dev.w3.org [30] [22] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Sep/0178.html [30] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Sep/0129.html ACTION: [CONTINUES] Manu to write summary for Semantic Web Use Cases for Ivan. [recorded in [23]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action09] [23] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action09 ACTION: [CONTINUES] Manu write the perl code for Slashdot. [recorded in [24]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action11] [24] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action11 ACTION: [CONTINUES] Michael to create 'RDFa for uF users' on RDFa Wiki [recorded in [25]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action14] [25] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action14 ACTION: [CONTINUES] Ralph think about RSS+RDFa [recorded in [26]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action15] [26] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action15 ACTION: [DONE] Ralph to make [27]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/rdfa-xslt happen [recorded in [28]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action16] [27] http://www.w3.org/2008/07/rdfa-xslt [28] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action16 ACTION: [DONE] Shane to update XHTML ns document to point to new XSLT URI [recorded in [29]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action17] [29] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action17 Primer Ralph: last day to request publication is 13 October ... last pubs before TPAC will be 16 Oct Ben: we've had a couple of negative comments about the Primer ... I wish folk would send us pointers to their blogs ... do we _need_ to beef it up? Mark: I haven't looked at it in a while but I do remember having some thoughts -> [30]RDFa Trials and Travails ... [25] [30] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Sep/0129.html [25] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action14 Ben: do we _want_ to be telling people how to define vocabularies in this document? Mark: we'd talked before about the purpose of the Primer ... probably don't want to get into explaining custom vocabularies ... but if we don't then perhaps we shouldn't mention them at all ... we have a powerful system in RDFa but what really makes it useful to Joe Public is when we drop namespace prefixes and make it look more like microformats <Ralph> [I disagree on Mark's last point but won't go into it in this telecon] Mark: maybe we just accept that our audience is folk who are somewhat familiar with Semantic Web concepts Ben: I propose to submit editorial changes only to the Working Group next week and publish just small changes on 13 October ... just enough modification to the Primer to address the comments a little bit Ralph: are there enough updates to be worth pushing for 13 Oct or should the Primer just wait a bit longer? Jeremy: delay REC? Ralph: no, let's not delay REC Ben: there's other introductory material as well, e.g. in the Wiki Mark: but I do see the argument in favor of removing the section on custom vocabularies Ralph: there _are_ related documents out there; e.g. the Best Practice Recipes Mark: but where are the limits on what we do? Ralph: one of the things that distinguishes RDFa from microformats is that you _can_ define your own vocabulary when you decide that there's nothing existing that meets your needs ... so I wouldn't want to drop this entirely from the Primer ... it's not clear whether that commentor tried to follow the URIs ... the early Web was built on cloning pages; the same works for these examples ACTION: Ben ask Shane to produce an updated Syntax with editorial changes for the WG to review next week [recorded in [31]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/02-rdfa-minutes.html#action17] -> "[32]xmlse:foo slightly substantive comment on CURIEs (both in stand alone document, and in RDFa PR)" [Jeremy 2008-09-12] Jeremy's editorial suggestion [32] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Sep/0041 <benadida> Note: A CURIE prefix value may case-insensitively begin in the string "xml", but then it is not permitted to be used as a prefix in an xmlns declaration in an XML document. Jeremy: we should align the RDFa Syntax document and the CURIE spec as to whether a prefix can start with 'xml' <JeremyCarroll> See the text: <JeremyCarroll> [[ <JeremyCarroll> prefix values MUST be able to be defined using the 'xmlns:' syntax specified in [XMLNAMES]. <JeremyCarroll> ]] <markbirbeck> "When CURIES are used in an XML-based host language, prefix values MUST be able to be defined using the 'xmlns:' syntax specified in [XMLNAMES]. Such host languages MAY also provide additional prefix mapping definition mechanisms. <markbirbeck> When CURIES are used in a non-XML host language, the host language MUST provide a mechanism for defining the mapping from the prefix to an IRI." Ralph: perhaps the 'xml' restriction is a Host Language restriction and not an RDFa or CURIE restriction ... so RDFa and CURIE should remain silent on this point and leave it to the Host Language specs to declare any further restrictions Mark: when I added that sentence I was thinking of prefixes such as '123abc' ... it wouldn't hurt to add to CURIE the 'xml*' restriction ... I think this would be a useful addition Ralph: I'd make it an editorial Note: comment rather than make it appearing to be normative about CURIEs Mark: I agree that the normative constraint is already covered by the "prefix values MUST be able to be defined using the 'xmlns:' syntax specified in [XMLNAMES]" language ... I'm suggesting adding the comment as assistance to readers Jeremy: an example would be informative ... I'm happy with no change to RDFa Syntax <benadida> PROPOSE no modification to the RDFa Syntax document based on Jeremy's xmlse:foo comment RESOLUTION: no modification to the RDFa Syntax document based on Jeremy's xmlse:foo comment <JeremyCarroll> accepted as commentator [adjourned] Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: Ben ask Shane to produce an updated Syntax with editorial changes for the WG to review next week [recorded in [33]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/02-rdfa-minutes.html#action17] [PENDING] ACTION: Ben to close loop with Danny. [recorded in [34]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/18-rdfa-minutes.html#action19] [PENDING] ACTION: Jeremy to demonstrate GRDDL with XHTML/RDFa once the NS URI is set up. [recorded in [35]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action03] [PENDING] ACTION: Manu talk with Jamie McCarthy about an AskSlashdot piece [recorded in [36]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action04] [PENDING] ACTION: Manu to write summary for Semantic Web Use Cases for Ivan. [recorded in [37]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action09] [PENDING] ACTION: Manu write the perl code for Slashdot. [recorded in [38]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action11] [PENDING] ACTION: Mark create base wizard suitable for cloning [recorded in [39]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action12] [PENDING] ACTION: Mark write foaf examples for wiki [recorded in [40]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action13] [PENDING] ACTION: Michael to create 'RDFa for uF users' on RDFa Wiki [recorded in [41]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action14] [PENDING] ACTION: Ralph think about RSS+RDFa [recorded in [42]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action15] [34] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/18-rdfa-minutes.html#action19 [35] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action03 [36] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action04 [37] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action09 [38] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action11 [39] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action12 [40] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action13 [41] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action14 [42] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action15 [DONE] ACTION: Ben to determine how to highlight RDFa at TPAC [recorded in [43]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/18-rdfa-minutes.html#action17] [DONE] ACTION: Ben to figure out *how* to do the namespace-doc GRDDL thing [recorded in [44]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action18] [DONE] ACTION: Ben to log Danny's issue to tracker. [recorded in [45]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/18-rdfa-minutes.html#action18] [DONE] ACTION: Manu to upload test harness source code to W3C CVS. [recorded in [46]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action07] [DONE] ACTION: Ralph to make [47]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/rdfa-xslt happen [recorded in [48]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action16] [DONE] ACTION: Shane to update XHTML ns document to point to new XSLT URI [recorded in [49]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action17] [43] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/18-rdfa-minutes.html#action17 [44] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action18 [45] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/18-rdfa-minutes.html#action18 [46] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action07 [47] http://www.w3.org/2008/07/rdfa-xslt [48] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action16 [49] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action17 [DROPPED] ACTION: Jeremy review and consider expanding the description of TopBraid in the RDFa wiki [recorded in [50]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action02] [50] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action02 [End of minutes] _____________________________________________________ Minutes formatted by David Booth's [51]scribe.perl version 1.133 ([52]CVS log) $Date: 2008/10/02 17:44:17 $ [51] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm [52] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/
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