- From: Clay Redding <cred@loc.gov>
- Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:10:20 -0400
- To: <public-swd-wg@w3.org>
Hi all,
The minutes [1] from yesterday's telecon are now online for review. A text copy follows.
[1] http://www.w3.org/2008/03/18-swd-minutes.html
SWD WG
18 Mar 2008
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Mar/0060.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2008/03/18-swd-irc
Attendees
Present
Clay, Ralph, Tom, Diego, Ed, Quentin, Antoine, Guus,
Margherita, Jon, Ben, Alistair, Sean, Daniel
Regrets
Elisa, Vit
Chair
Tom
Scribe
Clay
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Admin
2. [6]SKOS
3. [7]RDFa
4. [8]Recipes
5. [9]Vocabulary Management
* [10]Summary of Action Items
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<TomB> Previous: [11]http://www.w3.org/2008/03/11-swd-minutes.html
[11] http://www.w3.org/2008/03/11-swd-minutes.html
<scribe> Scribenick: Clay
<scribe> Scribe: Clay
Admin
<scribe> ACTION: Chairs to draft charter extension proposal for SKOS
until July 1st [recorded in
[12]http://www.w3.org/2008/02/26-swd-minutes.html#action01]
[CONTINUES]
[12] http://www.w3.org/2008/02/26-swd-minutes.html#action01
<scribe> ACTION: Guus to set up a poll for a meeting 6-8 May with
different possible venues Amsterdam, Boston, London or Washington
[recorded in
[13]http://www.w3.org/2008/03/11-swd-minutes.html#action02] [DONE]
[13] http://www.w3.org/2008/03/11-swd-minutes.html#action02
[scribe:] Guus [14]completed the poll during the meeting, and posted
this link to access it:
[15]http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/39408/FTF-May-2008-poll/.
[15] http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/39408/FTF-May-2008-poll/
Tom: Glitch in March 11 minutes re: pending actions not appearing in
agenda or meeting minutes
... re: action on Guus re: ISSUE-71
<scribe> ACTION: Guus to add to Antoine's proposal for issue 71, a
proposal for semantic relations between match relations and standard
relations [recorded in
[16]http://www.w3.org/2008/02/26-swd-minutes.html#action02] [DONE]
[16] http://www.w3.org/2008/02/26-swd-minutes.html#action02
scribe: action on Alistair to clarify which aspects of extension
should be in scope
... not recorded as closed
<scribe> ACTION: Alistair to propose an approach to clarify which
aspects of the extension module should be in scope for the candidate
recommendation package. [recorded in
[17]http://www.w3.org/2007/12/11-swd-minutes.html#action06] [DONE]
[17] http://www.w3.org/2007/12/11-swd-minutes.html#action06
RESOLUTION: Minutes from March 11 accepted. Next meeting 25 March
2008 *1500* UTC.
<scribe:> 25 March 2008 *1500* UTC->
[18]http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=03&da
y=25&year=2008&hour=15&min=00&sec=0&p1=0.
[18] http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=03&day=25&year=2008&hour=15&min=00&sec=0&p1=0
SKOS
<scribe> ACTION: Alistair and Guus to check the text in the primer
on relationship between Concept Schemes and OWL Ontologies.
[recorded in
[19]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/29-swd-minutes.html#action13]
[CONTINUES]
[19] http://www.w3.org/2008/01/29-swd-minutes.html#action13
<scribe> ACTION: Sean to propose a way to handle deprecated
properties (updating RDF schema) [recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2008/02/12-swd-minutes.html#action06]
[CONTINUES]
[20] http://www.w3.org/2008/02/12-swd-minutes.html#action06
<scribe> ACTION: Ralph to check whether the common interpretation of
rdfs isDefinedBy fits the reasoning that was made in
[21]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Oct/0141.h
tml [recorded in
[22]http://www.w3.org/2007/12/18-swd-minutes.html#action10]
[CONTINUES]
[21] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Oct/0141.html
[22] http://www.w3.org/2007/12/18-swd-minutes.html#action10
Alistair: re: SKOS-XL
... suggesting that it doesn't have to be in-scope for the current
document, can be done afterward
Tom: feedback from ISO 16642 group that would like to see this
folded into the SKOS reference
... comments from Japanese colleague who needs support for Yomi
transcription (alt. forms of a label in transcribed form)
Alistair: possibly leave it for ISO 16642
... re Yomi: leave it to labelRelations?
... the relationship between this class of labels and rdf plain
literals, does what we model in this extension fit these other
folks?
Antoine: could we move back label relationship with respect to
SKOS-XL?
... if some people prefer to use XL, it gives freedom of choice
Alistair: they're not either/or, mutually exclusive
... what's in the extension builds on the existing label
relationship
<edsu> SKOS-XL ->
[23]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SkosDesign/SKOS-XL
[23] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SkosDesign/SKOS-XL
Clay: using xl:prefLabel and skos:prefLabel in conjunction was a
nice option
... and skos:LabelRelation
<scribe> ACTION: Antoine will review Alistair's proposals w/r/t the
relationship between the existing solution and the extensioin
[recorded in
[24]http://www.w3.org/2008/03/18-swd-minutes.html#action06]
Tom: important to decide if it's in scope or not. Antoine was
suggesting it should be in scope.
Ralph: purpose of Antoine's action is to decide whether Alistair's
proposal should be considered for the CR draft
Antoine: it's more about possibly moving back the existing label
relationship to accoomodate the functionality of the extension
Tom: Antoine, you're suggesting that they both be seen as
extensions?
Antoine: yes
Alistair: XL was designed to possibly live in the same space as the
existing solution
... if they live in the same reference the local names would have to
change
Tom: designed not to live in the same namespace?
Alistair: if they do live in the same namespace you'd use different
local names
Tom: Open SKOS issues
... re: Alistair and ISSUE-40
<scribe> ACTION: Alistair to make a proposal for Issue 40 (Concept
Coordination) [recorded in
[25]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/29-swd-minutes.html#action09]
[CONTINUES]
[25] http://www.w3.org/2008/01/29-swd-minutes.html#action09
Tom: re: ISSUE-37 for Guus
Alistair: thought that Guus would discuss with Sean
<edsu> ->
[26]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Mar/0037.h
tml
[26] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Mar/0037.html
Guus: would be useful to discuss
Sean: make skos:broaderGeneric rdfs:subPropertyOf rdfs:subClassOf .
Guus: if you look at the broader definition it's not clear
... need more dicussion
Alistair: if you have broaderGeneric as a subPropertyOf subClassOf
... through broaderGeneric
... requires more thought
Sean: no theoretical reason for having super as transitive
Guus: proposal was to write some primer text on it and should be
fine
<scribe> ACTION: Guus to write primer text re: broaderGeneric and
equivalence with respect to subClassOf [recorded in
[27]http://www.w3.org/2008/03/18-swd-minutes.html#action08]
<Zakim> aliman, you wanted to mention meta-modeling issue
Alistair: when you write the part of the primer, consider how it
fits with ConceptSchemes and OWL ontologies
Tom: re: ISSUE-67 (StatingFormalDefinitions)
... supports the proposed resolution
... propose to accept issue 67
RESOLUTION: StatingFormalDefinitions ISSUE-67 accepted
<Ralph> [[PROPOSED: To state formal aspects of the SKOS data model
in the main body of the SKOS Reference as sentences of prose
following the style of prose used in the RDF Schema specification
<[28]http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/REC-rdf-schema-20040210/>. An OWL
ontology will also be given as an appendix to the SKOS Reference,
however the prose in the main body of the SKOS Reference will take
precedence. --
[29]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Mar/0027.h
tml.]]
[28] http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/REC-rdf-schema-20040210/%3E.
[29] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Mar/0027.html
Tom: issue-71 and ISSUE-74
...re: ParallelMappingVocabulary and MappingPropertyConventions
<Ralph> [issue 74 is in Alistair's top 10, 71 is there as related to
74]
Alistair: iGuus and broaderMatch as subproperty of broader
<Ralph> [30]issue 74 MappingPropertyConventions
[30] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/74
Guus: nothing happened afterward
<Ralph> [31]issue 71 ParallelMappingVocabulary
[31] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/71
Alistair: if we can fix this it gets a big piece of work out of the
way for the reference
... Guus' proposal is a middle ground and is interesting
<scribe> ACTION: Alistair to review Antoine and Guus' emails to move
ISSUE-71 and -74 [recorded in
[32]http://www.w3.org/2008/03/18-swd-minutes.html#action09]
<Guus> I created the ftf poll:
<Guus> [33]http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/39408/FTF-May-2008-poll/
[33] http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/39408/FTF-May-2008-poll/
<Ralph> [34]issue 80 SKOS-OWL-Patterns
[34] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/80
Tom: re: ISSUE-80...do we need an action associated?
<edsu>
Ed: Guus sent a chunk of HTML to be included in primer?
Antoine: issue is more recent
Tom: forwards without an action (re: SKOS-OWL-Patterns (Alistair))
Guus: I'll try to have this for discussion before next telecon
... will come back to this after my action
RDFa
Ben: Ralph, status on primer?
<Ralph> [35]RDFa Primer updated
[35] http://www.w3.org/News/2008#item44
Ben: will have several implementations ready before going to
candidate rec
<Ralph> [36]RDFa Primer W3C Working Draft 17 March 2008
[36] http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-xhtml-rdfa-primer-20080317/
<Ralph> ACTION: Ralph and Ben to publish web version of the new RDFa
Primer [recorded in
[37]http://www.w3.org/2008/03/11-swd-minutes.html#action06] [DONE]
[37] http://www.w3.org/2008/03/11-swd-minutes.html#action06
Ben: I had an action to update the schedule, but haven't had a
chance to look
... had a request to extend deadline to do some XSLT work
<Ralph> [38]13-March RDFa telecon record
[38] http://www.w3.org/2008/03/13-rdfa-minutes
<scribe> ACTION: Ben to prepare draft implementation report for RDFa
(with assistance from Michael) [recorded in
[39]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14]
[39] http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14
[40]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14]
[40] http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14
<scribe> --continues
Ben: date of April 21 for review of primer for WG
... if it works on our end it's a date we can match
<scribe> ACTION: Ben to clarify target date of publication of primer
as note and update deliverables page [recorded in
[41]http://www.w3.org/2008/03/04-swd-minutes.html#action08] [DONE]
[41] http://www.w3.org/2008/03/04-swd-minutes.html#action08
Recipes
Diego: re: Cool URIs
... I raised three comments , third was a mistake
... I agree with sprit of first two and his view is better than ours
but more complex to implement in Apache
... we need to decide if we want to change our current recipes or
keep as is
Ralph: i haven't discussed this with Tim
... I think it might be a mistake to complicate the recipes
Ed: my only suggestion was to explicitly state that this was for
Apache and .htaccess and mod_rewrite
Tom: perhaps sounds like a good solution as well
... if the authors wish to keep the technical scope the same as it
is now, that is good
Jon: inclined to agree with Ralph to not make the doc more complex
... scope of this doc was for relative simplicity
<scribe> ACTION: recipes editors to clarify and write some sentences
for the title that spells out the points Ed made for .htaccess and
Apache [recorded in
[42]http://www.w3.org/2008/03/18-swd-minutes.html#action13]
<scribe> ACTION: Diego, Jon and Ralph to coordinate Recipes examples
for w3c site [recorded in
[43]http://www.w3.org/2008/03/11-swd-minutes.html#action09]
[CONTINUES]
[43] http://www.w3.org/2008/03/11-swd-minutes.html#action09
<scribe> ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to ISSUE-16 "Default
behavior" [recorded in
[44]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14]
[CONTINUES]
[44] http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14
<scribe> ACTION: Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of
Recipes implementations] [recorded in [recorded in
[45]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20]
[CONTINUES]
[45] http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20
Vocabulary Management
<Ralph> [46]new Vocab Mgmnt editor's draft published
[46] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Mar/0061.html
Tom: Elisa has posted a doc for review
<Ralph> [47]16-March Vocab Mgmnt Editor's draft
[47] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/Vocab/principles-20080316
Tom: need reviewers for completion 2 weeks from now
Diego: I volunteer.
Guus: Tom?
Tom: will review, but would like antoher reviewer
Guus: Mark van Assem from Wordnet to review possibly?
Tom: that's fine
<Guus> ACTION: Guus to ask Mark van Assem to review VM Editor's
Draft [recorded in
[48]http://www.w3.org/2008/03/18-swd-minutes.html#action17]
Tom: please respond to Guus' poll about dates
<Ralph> [ah, thanks, Guus; I mis-heard "Mark van Assem" -- thought
you'd mentioned a different Mark]
Tom: meeting adjourned.
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Alistair to review Antoine and Guus' emails to move
ISSUE-71 and -74 [recorded in
[49]http://www.w3.org/2008/03/18-swd-minutes.html#action09]
[NEW] ACTION: Antoine will review Alistair's proposals w/r/t the
relationship between the existing solution and the extensioin
[recorded in
[50]http://www.w3.org/2008/03/18-swd-minutes.html#action06]
[NEW] ACTION: Guus to ask Mark van Assem to review VM Editor's Draft
[recorded in
[51]http://www.w3.org/2008/03/18-swd-minutes.html#action17]
[NEW] ACTION: Guus to write primer text re: broaderGeneric and
equivalence w/r/t subclass [recorded in
[52]http://www.w3.org/2008/03/18-swd-minutes.html#action08]
[NEW] ACTION: recipes editors to clarify and write some sentences
for the title that spells out the points Ed made for .htaccess and
Apache [recorded in
[53]http://www.w3.org/2008/03/18-swd-minutes.html#action13]
[PENDING] ACTION: Alistair and Guus to check the text in the primer
on relationship between Concept Schemes and OWL Ontologies.
[recorded in
[54]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/29-swd-minutes.html#action13]
[PENDING] ACTION: Alistair to make a proposal for Issue 40 (Concept
Coordination) [recorded in
[55]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/29-swd-minutes.html#action09]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ben to prepare draft implementation report for
RDFa (with assistance from Michael) [recorded in
[56]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14]
[PENDING] ACTION: Chairs to draft charter extension proposal for
SKOS until July 1st [recorded in
[57]http://www.w3.org/2008/02/26-swd-minutes.html#action01]
[PENDING] ACTION: Diego, Jon and Ralph to coordinate Recipes
examples for w3c site [recorded in
[58]http://www.w3.org/2008/03/11-swd-minutes.html#action09]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to ISSUE-16 "Default
behavior" [recorded in
[59]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ralph to check whether the common interpretation
of rdfs isDefinedBy fits the reasoning that was made in
[60]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Oct/0141.h
tml [recorded in
[61]http://www.w3.org/2007/12/18-swd-minutes.html#action10]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of
Recipes implementations] [recorded in [recorded in
[62]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20]
[PENDING] ACTION: Sean to propose a way to handle deprecated
properties (updating RDF schema) [recorded in
[63]http://www.w3.org/2008/02/12-swd-minutes.html#action06]
[54] http://www.w3.org/2008/01/29-swd-minutes.html#action13
[55] http://www.w3.org/2008/01/29-swd-minutes.html#action09
[56] http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14
[57] http://www.w3.org/2008/02/26-swd-minutes.html#action01
[58] http://www.w3.org/2008/03/11-swd-minutes.html#action09
[59] http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14
[60] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Oct/0141.html
[61] http://www.w3.org/2007/12/18-swd-minutes.html#action10
[62] http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20
[63] http://www.w3.org/2008/02/12-swd-minutes.html#action06
[DONE] ACTION: Alistair to propose an approach to clarify which
aspects of the extension module should be in scope for the candidate
recommendation package. [recorded in
[64]http://www.w3.org/2007/12/11-swd-minutes.html#action06]
[DONE] ACTION: Guus to add to Antoine's proposal for issue 71, a
proposal for semantic relations between match relations and standard
relations [recorded in
[65]http://www.w3.org/2008/02/26-swd-minutes.html#action02]
[DONE] ACTION: Guus to set up a poll for a meeting 6-8 May with
different possible venues Amsterdam, Boston, London or Washington
[recorded in
[66]http://www.w3.org/2008/03/11-swd-minutes.html#action02]
[DONE] ACTION: Ralph and Ben to publish web version of the new RDFa
Primer [recorded in
[67]http://www.w3.org/2008/03/11-swd-minutes.html#action06]
[DONE] ACTION: Ben to clarify target date of publication of primer
as note and update deliverables page [recorded in
[68]http://www.w3.org/2008/03/04-swd-minutes.html#action08]
[64] http://www.w3.org/2007/12/11-swd-minutes.html#action06
[65] http://www.w3.org/2008/02/26-swd-minutes.html#action02
[66] http://www.w3.org/2008/03/11-swd-minutes.html#action02
[67] http://www.w3.org/2008/03/11-swd-minutes.html#action06
[68] http://www.w3.org/2008/03/04-swd-minutes.html#action08
[End of minutes]
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