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RE: [SKOS] ISSUE-32 ConceptSchemeLabellingInteractions

From: Sini, Margherita (KCEW) <Margherita.Sini@fao.org>
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 06:51:09 +0100
To: Daniel Rubin <rubin@med.stanford.edu>
Cc: Antoine Isaac <aisaac@few.vu.nl>, SWD WG <public-swd-wg@w3.org>
Message-id: <BA453B6B6B217B4D95AF12DBA0BFB669029DAF08@hqgiex01.fao.org>
Hi there,
Hummm don't think that should be different than preferredLabel... Maybe i was
not clear enough: the concepts mentioned below were different concepts with
same preferred label in one language (FR and ES).
 
My examples were the following:  
 
- I have one skos:concept which has english preferred label politics (EN),
and french preferred label is politique (FR)
- then I have another skos:concept which has english preferred label policies
(EN), and french preferred label is also politique (FR)
so in this case 2 concepts have same french preferred label...
In skos would be:
 
  <skos:Concept rdf:about="http://www.fao.org/aims/aos/agrovoc#c_6062">
    <skos:prefLabel xml:lang="en">Policies</skos:prefLabel>
    <skos:prefLabel xml:lang="fr">Politique</skos:prefLabel>
    <skos:prefLabel xml:lang="es">Políticas</skos:prefLabel>
    <skos:prefLabel xml:lang="ar">سياسات</skos:prefLabel>
    <skos:prefLabel xml:lang="zh">政策</skos:prefLabel>
    <skos:prefLabel xml:lang="pt">Política</skos:prefLabel>
    <skos:prefLabel xml:lang="th">นโยบาย</skos:prefLabel>
    <skos:prefLabel xml:lang="ja">政策</skos:prefLabel>
    <skos:prefLabel xml:lang="sk">politika</skos:prefLabel>
    <skos:prefLabel xml:lang="de">POLITIK</skos:prefLabel>
    <skos:prefLabel xml:lang="hu">politika</skos:prefLabel>
    <skos:prefLabel xml:lang="pl">Polityka</skos:prefLabel>
    <skos:prefLabel xml:lang="fa">سیاست‌ها</skos:prefLabel>
    <skos:prefLabel xml:lang="it">Politiche</skos:prefLabel>
    <skos:prefLabel xml:lang="hi">राजनीतियाँ</skos:prefLabel>
    <skos:changeNote rdf:parseType="Resource">
     <rdf:value>The last modification for this concept was for the term in
SK</rdf:value>
     <dc:creator>
      <foaf:Organization><foaf:name>FAO/GILW</foaf:name></foaf:Organization>
     </dc:creator>
     <dc:date>2007-11-20 00:00:00.0</dc:date>
     <dc:language>
      <dcterms:RFC1766>
       <rdf:value>EN</rdf:value>
       <rdfs:label>English</rdfs:label>
      </dcterms:RFC1766>
     </dc:language>
    </skos:changeNote>
    <skos:narrower
rdf:resource="http://www.fao.org/aims/aos/agrovoc#c_28672"/>
    <skos:narrower
rdf:resource="http://www.fao.org/aims/aos/agrovoc#c_16181"/>
    <skos:narrower
rdf:resource="http://www.fao.org/aims/aos/agrovoc#c_7465"/>
    <skos:narrower
rdf:resource="http://www.fao.org/aims/aos/agrovoc#c_7132"/>
    <skos:narrower
rdf:resource="http://www.fao.org/aims/aos/agrovoc#c_6515"/>
    <skos:narrower
rdf:resource="http://www.fao.org/aims/aos/agrovoc#c_3060"/>
    <skos:narrower
rdf:resource="http://www.fao.org/aims/aos/agrovoc#c_3023"/>
    <skos:narrower
rdf:resource="http://www.fao.org/aims/aos/agrovoc#c_2939"/>
    <skos:narrower
rdf:resource="http://www.fao.org/aims/aos/agrovoc#c_2597"/>
    <skos:narrower
rdf:resource="http://www.fao.org/aims/aos/agrovoc#c_2228"/>
    <skos:narrower rdf:resource="http://www.fao.org/aims/aos/agrovoc#c_201"/>
    <skos:related
rdf:resource="http://www.fao.org/aims/aos/agrovoc#c_24951"/>
    <skos:related rdf:resource="http://www.fao.org/aims/aos/agrovoc#c_130"/>
  </skos:Concept>
 
and the other concept would be
 
  <skos:Concept rdf:about="http://www.fao.org/aims/aos/agrovoc#c_49988">
    <skos:prefLabel xml:lang="en">politics</skos:prefLabel>
    <skos:prefLabel xml:lang="fr">politique</skos:prefLabel>
    <skos:prefLabel xml:lang="es">política</skos:prefLabel>
    <skos:prefLabel xml:lang="zh">政治学</skos:prefLabel>
    <skos:prefLabel xml:lang="pt">Política</skos:prefLabel>
    <skos:changeNote rdf:parseType="Resource">
     <rdf:value>The last modification for this concept was for the term in
PT</rdf:value>
     <dc:creator>
      <foaf:Organization><foaf:name>FAO/GILW</foaf:name></foaf:Organization>
     </dc:creator>
     <dc:date>2007-10-22 00:00:00.0</dc:date>
     <dc:language>
      <dcterms:RFC1766>
       <rdf:value>EN</rdf:value>
       <rdfs:label>English</rdfs:label>
      </dcterms:RFC1766>
     </dc:language>
    </skos:changeNote>
    <skos:related rdf:resource="http://www.fao.org/aims/aos/agrovoc#c_130"/>
    <skos:related rdf:resource="http://www.fao.org/aims/aos/agrovoc#c_6064"/>
    <skos:related
rdf:resource="http://www.fao.org/aims/aos/agrovoc#c_11230"/>
    <skos:related
rdf:resource="http://www.fao.org/aims/aos/agrovoc#c_49866"/>
  </skos:Concept>
 
So they have different NTs, RTs, etc.
 
Same with the other example in Spanish (even if I agree we should change the
spanish preferred label for the concept Dyes - In this case there is no
ambiguity).
 
But I asked here to my colleagues that work with Thai agrovoc. There are for
example 2 different concepts: "rice as a product" and "rice as a plant", but
in Thai they use exactly the same word to represent both concepts. Note that
the 2 concepts have different BTs, NTs...
The preferred terms they use for both concepts is " ข้าว " which can be
transliterlate as "Khao" for both concepts.
Also in English... how do we call them? maybe also in English in this case
the two concepts have preferred label "rice", no?
 
Hope this helps
regards
Margherita
 
 
 
 
 

	-----Original Message----- 
	From: Daniel Rubin [mailto:rubin@med.stanford.edu] 
	Sent: Fri 08/02/2008 14:05 
	To: Sini, Margherita (KCEW) 
	Cc: Antoine Isaac; SWD WG 
	Subject: RE: [SKOS] ISSUE-32 ConceptSchemeLabellingInteractions
	
	

	The appropriate relation between those terms would be 
	"EnglishEquivalent" or some such, not "preferredLabel".
	Daniel
	
	Quoting "Sini, Margherita (KCEW)" <Margherita.Sini@fao.org>:
	
	>
	> I can give an example in French:
	>
	> politique (FR)  = politics (EN)
	>       and
	> politique (FR)  = policies (EN)
	>
	> But I also know that we have maybe to change one of the two French
terms...
	>
	> And
	>
	> Colourants (ES)  = Colourants (EN)    ---- BT Chemical substances
	>       and
	> Colourants (ES)  = Dyes (EN)    ---- BT  Colourants
	>
	> (but maybe in the second case the spanish should be Tintes?)
	>
	> Regards
	> Margherita
	>
	>
	>       -----Original Message-----
	>       From: public-swd-wg-request@w3.org on behalf of Daniel Rubin
	>       Sent: Fri 08/02/2008 13:38
	>       To: Antoine Isaac; SWD WG
	>       Cc:
	>       Subject: Re: [SKOS] ISSUE-32
ConceptSchemeLabellingInteractions
	>
	>
	>
	>
	>       At 12:44 AM 2/8/2008, Antoine Isaac wrote:
	>
	>       >Dear all,
	>       >
	>       >Alistair had some concern about the wording of the attached
	>       >proposal, which we accepted in last week's.
	>       >>
	>       >>Dear all,
	>       >>
	>       >>Regarding ISSUE-32 ConceptSchemeLabellingInteractions [1],
I
	>       >>propose that we accept the following recommendation from
the SKOS
	>       >>Primer [2, section 2.1.1]
	>       >>
	>       >>>Following common practice in KOS design, the preferred
label of a
	>       >>>concept may be also used to unambiguously represent this
concept
	>       >>>within one KOS and its applications. Although SKOS
semantics do
	>       >>>not formally enforce it, it is therefore recommended that
no two
	>       >>>concepts in the same KOS be given the same preferred
lexical label
	>       >>>in any given language.
	>       >
	>       >To alleviate these concerns, the Primer should now read
	>       >[[
	>       >Following common practice in KOS design, the preferred label
of a
	>       >concept may be also used to unambiguously represent this
concept
	>       >within one KOS and its applications. It is therefore
recommended
	>       >that no two concepts in the same KOS be given the same
preferred
	>       >lexical label in any given language. But SKOS semantics do
not
	>       >formally enforce this, since some commonly used
classification
	>       >schemes, for instance, may break this rule.
	>
	>       Can you give example of a classification scheme that breaks
this
	>       rule? It doesn't make much sense for the preferred label of a
concept
	>       NOT to unambiguously represent the concept within ONE KOS.
	>
	>       >]]
	>       >
	>       >Alistair, are you ok with this?
	>       >
	>       >Cheers,
	>       >
	>       >Antoine
	>       >>
	>       >>
	>       >>[1] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/32

	>       >>[2] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SKOS/DraftPrimer ,
January
	>       >>24 editor's draft.
	>       >>
	>       >>
	>       >>
	>       >
	>       >
	>
	>
	>
	>
	>
	>
	>
	
	
	

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