- From: Antoine Isaac <aisaac@few.vu.nl>
- Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 23:37:37 +0100
- To: Guus Schreiber <schreiber@cs.vu.nl>
- CC: Alistair Miles <A.J.Miles@rl.ac.uk>, SWD WG <public-swd-wg@w3.org>
Hi Guus and others, > > I suggest you and Ed take this text and adapt it in the way you see as > appropriate for the Primer. > > Guus I have made a first draft at [1], Feb 5 editor's draft, section 3.3. However, I would really like the WG that this section has quite some consequences on the fundamentals of SKOS. One of the aspects I got aware of is that by allowing classes to be concepts or instances of classes to be concepts, we more or less deny what the previous SKOS guide [2] called 'indirection'. In an oppen issues section, [2] indeed proposes that SKOS models things that belong to the realm of abstract concepts, while OWL classes and individuals can be about "concrete" things like persons. For instance, [2] reads: > So, for a resource of type |skos:Concept|, any properties of that > resource (such as creator, date of modification, source etc.) should > be interpreted as /properties of a concept/, and *not* as properties > of some 'real world thing' that that resource may be a > /conceptualisation of/. If we allow the instance of foaf:Person ex:timBL to be also a SKOS concept, or the class ex:Paintings (which denotes a set of painting objects) to be also a SKOS concept, then this indirection assumption seems to be at risk. Especially, we may have "collision of properties", e.g. with the "creators" of a Concept. To continue with the example of [2], a same object (Henry VIII) could have both Henry VII, Elizabeth of York and Alistair Miles as creators. Shall we ignore this? I would feel better knowing that the issue will not re-surface (at least in the WG) after the documents are validated. Best, Antoine [1] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SKOS/DraftPrimer [2] http://www.w3.org/TR/swbp-skos-core-guide#secmodellingrdf > > > >> >> 1. When you say >> >>> OWL Full users will be able to handle the situation above by >>> treating |skos:Concept| explicitly as a metaclass, e.g. by adding >>> the statement of the form: >>> skos:Concept rdfs:subClassOf owl:Class . >>> >> >> I feel a bit unconfortable. The starting point of this SKOS/OWL issue >> is that we want to apply OWL modelling features to SKOS concept >> individuals, or SKOS modelling features to instances of OWL classes. >> And because this result (either because of some axiom or because of >> apriori specification of the type of these entities), we happen to >> "cross the streams", as Alistair puts it in [1], that is, being >> outside of OWL-DL. >> But that's to me different from the intention of saying that every >> skos:Concept is an owl:Class. The statement that you write here >> creates the same kind of effect as the one saying that skos:broader >> was transitive, which we wanted to avoid because (among other >> reasons) it would have messed with non-transitive interpretations of >> broader. >> >> 2. Could/Should we had a sentence for the users interested in OWL-DL >> *and* linking classes to concepts? At the time they read the Primer >> this metamodelling option in OWL 1.1 could well not exist. >> I could put in the section on "extending SKOS" a brief note on one >> among the patterns of [1,2] which could help them to solve their >> problem (e.g. the use of a bridge property such as skos:it or >> whatever name is convenient). And point to it from your text. >> This would actually enable to extend this topic from "OWL classes" to >> "entities in the OWL ontologies", including OWL individuals such as >> instances of foaf:Person. This was one of the motivations for these >> discussions at the begining, cf. the motivation section in [2] >> (especially the POWDER case) >> >> Best, >> >> Antoine >> >> [1] >> http://isegserv.itd.rl.ac.uk/public/skos/2007/10/f2f/skos-owl-patterns.html >> >> [2] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SkosDesign/ConceptSemantics >> >>> ACTION: Alistair and Guus write draft section in primer on >>> relationship between SKOS concepts and OWL classes for OWL DL users >>> [http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action06] >>> >>> Alistair, all, >>> >>> I've written a first draft. See the attached HTML. >>> >>> Guus >>> >>> >> >
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