- From: Ralph R. Swick <swick@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 15:29:10 -0400
- To: public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf@w3.org
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The record of today's RDF-in-XHTML Task Force telecon [1] is available for review. [1] http://www.w3.org/2008/08/21-rdfa-minutes.html Note one post-meeting answer added: the last day for publication requests before TPAC is 1600 UTC, Monday 13 October per [42]Ian Jacob's message of 2008-04-30 A text snapshot follows below. ---- RDF-in-XHTML Task Force 21 Aug 2008 [2]Agenda [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Aug/0092.html See also: [3]IRC log, previous [4]2008-08-14 [3] http://www.w3.org/2008/08/21-rdfa-irc [4] http://www.w3.org/2008/08/14-rdfa-minutes.html Attendees Present Ralph Swick, Manu Sporny, Steven Pemberton, Shane McCarron, Jeremy Carroll Regrets Ben Adida, Mark Birbeck, Michael Hausenblas Chair Manu Scribe Ralph Contents * Topics 1. Action Review 2. SWD WG telecon 3. Outreach 4. Implementations and Tools 5. Documentation on Wiki * Summary of Action Items _________________________________________________________ [closing issue-125; commenter's response is in [12]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008A ug/0094.html ] [12] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Aug/0094.html Action Review ACTION: Ben and Manu to test implementations on step 9 (no child nodes with @property) [recorded in [13]http://www.w3.org/2008/08/14-rdfa-minutes.html#action23] [DONE] [13] http://www.w3.org/2008/08/14-rdfa-minutes.html#action23 Manu: testing that plain literal empty string is generated when there are no child nodes ... Ben and Shane's implementation worked, mine was buggy ACTION: Manu write a pending test case for literal property and no child nodes [recorded in [14]http://www.w3.org/2008/08/21-rdfa-minutes.html#action02] ACTION: Ralph prepare to summarize new W3C test suite license on 28 Aug [recorded in [15]http://www.w3.org/2008/08/21-rdfa-minutes.html#action03] ACTION: [PENDING] Michael to update Test Suite Manifest to correct tests 52 and 53 descriptions. [recorded in [16]http://www.w3.org/2008/08/14-rdfa-minutes.html#action02] [16] http://www.w3.org/2008/08/14-rdfa-minutes.html#action02 ACTION: [DONE] Ralph to send note to Alan regarding ISSUE-122 resolution [recorded in [17]http://www.w3.org/2008/08/14-rdfa-minutes.html#action24] [17] http://www.w3.org/2008/08/14-rdfa-minutes.html#action24 -> [18]response to Alan [18] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Aug/0092.html ACTION: [DONE] Shane to respond to ISSUE-125 on mailing list [recorded in [19]http://www.w3.org/2008/08/14-rdfa-minutes.html#action25] [19] http://www.w3.org/2008/08/14-rdfa-minutes.html#action25 -> [20]response [20] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Aug/0058.html ACTION: [DONE] Ben to contact Ed and Diego about new editors drafts coming down the pipe. [recorded in [21]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-rdfa-minutes.html#action01] [21] http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-rdfa-minutes.html#action01 ACTION: [PENDING] Jeremy to demonstrate GRDDL with XHTML/RDFa once the NS URI is set up. [recorded in [22]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-minutes.html#action07] [22] http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-minutes.html#action07 ACTION: [PENDING] Manu to create test cases for testing relative URI resolution (href/CURIEs/etc). [recorded in [23]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-rdfa-minutes.html#action22] [23] http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-rdfa-minutes.html#action22 ACTION: [PENDING] Manu write the perl code for Slashdot [recorded in [24]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#action03] [24] http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#action03 ACTION: [DONE] Manu: Start Best Practices Section on the rdfa.info wiki [recorded in [25]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/17-rdfa-minutes.html#action16] [25] http://www.w3.org/2008/07/17-rdfa-minutes.html#action16 -> [26]RDFa Best Practices (on wiki) [21] [26] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Aug/0093.html [21] http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-rdfa-minutes.html#action01 ACTION: [PENDING] Mark create base wizard suitable for cloning [recorded in [27]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#action12] [27] http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#action12 ACTION: [PENDING] Mark write foaf examples for wiki [recorded in [28]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#action07] [28] http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#action07 ACTION: [DONE] Michael to complete implementation report and send out notification to all working groups. [recorded in [29]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-rdfa-minutes.html#action20] [29] http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-rdfa-minutes.html#action20 ACTION: [PENDING] Michael to create 'RDFa for uF users' on RDFa Wiki [recorded in [30]http://www.w3.org/2008/03/13-rdfa-minutes.html#action12] [30] http://www.w3.org/2008/03/13-rdfa-minutes.html#action12 ACTION: [DONE] Michael to rewrite and extend [31]http://rdfa.info/wiki/Tutorials for RSS (maybe with seq) [recorded in [32]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/10-rdfa-minutes.html#action08] [31] http://rdfa.info/wiki/Tutorials [32] http://www.w3.org/2008/07/10-rdfa-minutes.html#action08 ACTION: [PENDING] Ralph think about RSS+RDFa [recorded in [33]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#action11] [33] http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#action11 ACTION: [PENDING] Ralph to make [34]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/rdfa-xslt happen recorded in [35]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-minutes.html#action05] [34] http://www.w3.org/2008/07/rdfa-xslt [35] http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-minutes.html#action05 ACTION: [PENDING] Shane to start a wiki page for HTML4/5 [recorded in [36]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-minutes.html#action21] [36] http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-minutes.html#action21 ACTION: [PENDING] Shane to update XHTML ns document to point to new XSLT URI [recorded in [37]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-minutes.html#action06] [37] http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-minutes.html#action06 ACTION: [PENDING] Shane to write home page for SPREAD. [recorded in [38]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/03-rdfa-minutes.html#action12] [38] http://www.w3.org/2008/07/03-rdfa-minutes.html#action12 SWD WG telecon -> [39]19 Aug SWD WG telecon [39] http://www.w3.org/2008/08/19-swd-minutes -> [40]RDFa topic [40] http://www.w3.org/2008/08/19-swd-minutes#item03 Ralph: They have agreed to look at RDFa Syntax document. Jeremy: Everything seemed good. Ralph: They are going to vote on proposed rec on RDFa at next week's telecon. <RalphS> [41]CURIE discussion [41] http://www.w3.org/2008/08/19-swd-minutes#item05 Ralph: We had discovered that we missed a message from the XHTML2 WG to do a formal review response on LC for CURIE spec. <Steven> For shame! ;-) Ralph: I reminded them that it would be odd to not give input on content of CURIE spec, since it's used heavily in RDFa. ... Jeremy volunteered on stand-alone CURIE spec. Steven: the XHTML2 WG resolved yesterday to take RDFa Syntax to PR <Steven> And XForms are planning to use it Shane: there are 4 other specs using the standalone CURIE spec: XHTML Role, Access, XML Events 2, and XHTML2 Jeremy: I note that CURIEs are more versatile than QNames <Steven> Yes, exactly <Steven> that's the point Manu: what's the next step? Ralph: SWD WG formally resolves to request PR transition -- likely to happen next Tuesday ... then Ralph schedules a Transition Meeting with Steve Bratt ... then, assuming Steve agrees we have met the CR exit criteria, we publish Shane: I need a new status paragraph from Ralph Ralph: right Ralph: Then, there is an announcement to the advisory committee, call for review for PR ... Also in that announcement, there is a solicitation for any member to offer a testimonial to go into the press release. ... There is a 4 week window for the review responses to arrive. ... So if call for review went out before Sept. 2nd, then some time in the beginning of October the team would look at the review responses. ... So we're looking at a directors response in early October. Steven: Would be good to do this before Technical Plenary. <Steven> TP is week of 20 Oct Ralph: We could have call for review before Sept. 2nd, Review closes before Oct 2nd, Directors decision before Oct 14th. Shane: When is publication moratorium? Ralph: I'd expect that it is no later than the 14th. post-meeting note: the last day for publication requests before TPAC is 1600 UTC, Monday 13 October per [42]Ian Jacob's message of 2008-04-30 [42] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/chairs/2008AprJun/0066.html Outreach Manu: over the past few months we've been working on slashdot, Yahoo, and digg to integrate RDFa ... digg had done it but recently removed the additions ... Ben is working with Yahoo ... any other tech sites we should work with? ... cnet ? ... connections to people who do press releases and news items? ... I can talk with my contact at BBC ... I'll also talk with Jamie Mccarthy at slashdot; they might be willing to do an interview ACTION: Manu talk with Jamie McCarthy about an AskSlashdot piece [recorded in [43]http://www.w3.org/2008/08/21-rdfa-minutes.html#action22] ACTION: Manu talk with Michael Smethurst at BBC about RDFa [recorded in [44]http://www.w3.org/2008/08/21-rdfa-minutes.html#action23] Manu: for community-building, we've started the wiki and public-rdfa@w3.org list Ralph: there are currently 72 subscribers to public-rdfa Manu: what can we do to get more conversation going? <msporny> Mozilla Labs Aurora Browser: [45]http://www.vimeo.com/1450211 [45] http://www.vimeo.com/1450211 <Steven> not to mention rdfa.info Manu: Aurora video is a concept piece ... everything they're doing is built around the concept of objects that can be moved around in a browser ... I recommend looking at those 4 videos Implementations and Tools Jeremy: TopBraid has had some limited RDFa editing support for a long time ... the wsywyg editor is currently lower on our to-do list than other more pressing tasks ... though it's actually close to being done Manu: Firefox Operator is kind-of stalled at the moment ... new versions of Operator are being released but there's not been a lot of work lately on new ways to use RDFa Jeremy: we have a to-do feature list for TopBraid ... we work on the ones that customers are requiring Manu: customers might only get interested in RDFa once they see a really nice application implemented Jeremy: we believe in the usefulness of the technology Shane: this is a general challenge for RDF Jeremy: but consider spreadsheets -- TopBraid does support reading Excel spreadsheets because most of our customers do use Excel ... we don't have trouble selling RDF for integrating user information ... and we're likely not to have trouble selling RDFa Manu: I wonder if we should focus on getting some core pieces of RDFa into Firefox ... for example, the ability to parse RDFa and giving access to that triple store Ralph: yep, Tabulator @@ is a Firefox plug-in. It will have RDFa support via GRDDL as soon as I complete my action, but it would be a big performance win to have native RDFa parsing for tools like Tabulator Manu: is it our goal to have every browser parse RDFa? Jeremy: yes, yes, yes :) Steven: I'm not sure that it really matters in the short term ... it would be fine if they did, but life will go on if they don't ... there are extension points in browsers, so you can implement lots of functionality without the browser developers having to sign on ... we should not predicate our success on having to get the browsers to sign up Manu: so javascript and client side development our path? Steven: yes ... we saw the same sort of reaction in the early days of SVG and XSLT Ralph: maybe RDFa API for Javascript is low-hanging fruit? Steven: similar things are being discussed in the Backplane Incubator Group <JeremyCarroll> (I am convinced by Steven's comments) Steven: they're deciding that the way forward is to do APIs Manu: some of the core work we're dealing with at DigitalBazaar is hampered by the lack of standard APIs to triples Ralph: there's also the widget factory stuff Documentation on Wiki Manu: who's been updating the wiki? [no voices] Manu: I'm interested in getting the discussion started on [public-rdfa] as that makes it much easier to update the wiki Shane: the only thing I plan to do is the HTML4+RDFa page Steven: I plan to do some updates to the implementations page Manu: do we have enough of a framework in the wiki now? Shane: not really but it will come with the growth of the community and continued evangelism Manu: I could flesh out the tutorial section a bit more based on experience from microformats ... Jeremy, would you care to expand on the TopBraid paragraph? ACTION: Jeremy review and consider expanding the description of TopBraid in the RDFa wiki [recorded in [46]http://www.w3.org/2008/08/21-rdfa-minutes.html#action24] Ralph: don't forget about the Primer ... perhaps it could usefully be a bit longer Shane: have people thought about how we're going to deal with XMLLiteral in HTML4+RDFa ? Jeremy: I've thought about it but takes longer than 2 minutes to explain Manu: there's also the @prefix question for HTML4 Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: Jeremy review and consider expanding the description of TopBraid in the RDFa wiki [recorded in [47]http://www.w3.org/2008/08/21-rdfa-minutes.html#action24] [NEW] ACTION: Manu talk with Jamie McCarthy about an AskSlashdot piece [recorded in [48]http://www.w3.org/2008/08/21-rdfa-minutes.html#action22] [NEW] ACTION: Manu talk with Michael Smethurst at BBC about RDFa [recorded in [49]http://www.w3.org/2008/08/21-rdfa-minutes.html#action23] [NEW] ACTION: Manu write a pending test case for literal property and no child nodes [recorded in [50]http://www.w3.org/2008/08/21-rdfa-minutes.html#action02] [NEW] ACTION: Ralph prepare to summarize new W3C test suite license on 28 Aug [recorded in [51]http://www.w3.org/2008/08/21-rdfa-minutes.html#action03] [PENDING] ACTION: Jeremy to demonstrate GRDDL with XHTML/RDFa once the NS URI is set up. [recorded in [52]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-minutes.html#action07] [PENDING] ACTION: Manu to create test cases for testing relative URI resolution (href/CURIEs/etc). [recorded in [53]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-rdfa-minutes.html#action22] [PENDING] ACTION: Manu write the perl code for Slashdot [recorded in [54]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#action03] [PENDING] ACTION: Mark create base wizard suitable for cloning [recorded in [55]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#action12] [PENDING] ACTION: Mark write foaf examples for wiki [recorded in [56]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#action07] [PENDING] ACTION: Michael to create 'RDFa for uF users' on RDFa Wiki [recorded in [57]http://www.w3.org/2008/03/13-rdfa-minutes.html#action12] [PENDING] ACTION: Michael to update Test Suite Manifest to correct tests 52 and 53 descriptions. [recorded in [58]http://www.w3.org/2008/08/14-rdfa-minutes.html#action02] [PENDING] ACTION: Ralph think about RSS+RDFa [recorded in [59]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#action11] [PENDING] ACTION: Ralph to make [60]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/rdfa-xslt happen recorded in [61]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-minutes.html#action05] [PENDING] ACTION: Shane to start a wiki page for HTML4/5 [recorded in [62]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-minutes.html#action21] [PENDING] ACTION: Shane to update XHTML ns document to point to new XSLT URI [recorded in [63]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-minutes.html#action06] [PENDING] ACTION: Shane to write home page for SPREAD. [recorded in [64]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/03-rdfa-minutes.html#action12] [52] http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-minutes.html#action07 [53] http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-rdfa-minutes.html#action22 [54] http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#action03 [55] http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#action12 [56] http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#action07 [57] http://www.w3.org/2008/03/13-rdfa-minutes.html#action12 [58] http://www.w3.org/2008/08/14-rdfa-minutes.html#action02 [59] http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#action11 [60] http://www.w3.org/2008/07/rdfa-xslt [61] http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-minutes.html#action05 [62] http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-minutes.html#action21 [63] http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-minutes.html#action06 [64] http://www.w3.org/2008/07/03-rdfa-minutes.html#action12 [DONE] ACTION: Ben and Manu to test implementations on step 9 (no child nodes with @property) [recorded in [65]http://www.w3.org/2008/08/14-rdfa-minutes.html#action23] [DONE] ACTION: Ben to contact Ed and Diego about new editors drafts coming down the pipe. [recorded in [66]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-rdfa-minutes.html#action01] [DONE] ACTION: Manu: Start Best Practices Section on the rdfa.info wiki [recorded in [67]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/17-rdfa-minutes.html#action16] [DONE] ACTION: Michael to complete implementation report and send out notification to all working groups. [recorded in [68]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-rdfa-minutes.html#action20] [DONE] ACTION: Michael to rewrite and extend [69]http://rdfa.info/wiki/Tutorials for RSS (maybe with seq) [recorded in [70]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/10-rdfa-minutes.html#action08] [DONE] ACTION: Ralph to send note to Alan regarding ISSUE-122 resolution [recorded in [71]http://www.w3.org/2008/08/14-rdfa-minutes.html#action24] [DONE] ACTION: Shane to respond to ISSUE-125 on mailing list [recorded in [72]http://www.w3.org/2008/08/14-rdfa-minutes.html#action25] [65] http://www.w3.org/2008/08/14-rdfa-minutes.html#action23 [66] http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-rdfa-minutes.html#action01 [67] http://www.w3.org/2008/07/17-rdfa-minutes.html#action16 [68] http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-rdfa-minutes.html#action20 [69] http://rdfa.info/wiki/Tutorials [70] http://www.w3.org/2008/07/10-rdfa-minutes.html#action08 [71] http://www.w3.org/2008/08/14-rdfa-minutes.html#action24 [72] http://www.w3.org/2008/08/14-rdfa-minutes.html#action25 [End of minutes] _____________________________________________________ Minutes formatted by David Booth's [73]scribe.perl version 1.133 ([74]CVS log) $Date: 2008/08/21 19:26:32 $ [73] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm [74] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/
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