- From: Ralph R. Swick <swick@w3.org>
- Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:13:17 -0400
- To: public-swd-wg@w3.org
The record of today's SemWeb Deployment Working Group telecon [1] is now available for review. Thanks to Quentin for scribing. [1] http://www.w3.org/2008/08/19-swd-minutes A text snaphot follows. ---- SWD WG 19 Aug 2008 [2]Agenda [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Aug/0030.html See also: [3]IRC log, previous [4]2008-08-05 [3] http://www.w3.org/2008/08/19-swd-irc [4] http://www.w3.org/2008/08/05-swd-minutes.html Attendees Present Tom Baker, Ralph Swick, Ed Summers, Quentin Reul, Alistair Miles, Antoine Isaac, Guus Schreiber, Sean Bechhofer, Diego Berrueta, Ben Adida, Clay Redding, Jeremy Carroll, Daniel Rubin Regrets Jon Phipps, Margherita Sini Chair Guus Scribe Quentin Contents * Topics 1. Admin 2. SKOS 3. RDFa 4. Recipes 5. AOB * Summary of Action Items _________________________________________________________ Admin RESOLVED to accept minutes of the last telecon: [12]http://www.w3.org/2008/08/05-swd-minutes.html with correction ISSUE-83 => ISSUE-123 [12] http://www.w3.org/2008/08/05-swd-minutes.html Next telecon: 26 Aug Group agreed to meet next week SKOS 2 reviews of the SKOS reference have been provided Sean: started to address comments made by Guus ... Wiki has the text from the review and shows progress ... discussion required about one or two of Margherita's comment ... Guus asked to discuss section 1.5 <seanb> [13]SWD/wiki/SKOS/Reference/Planning [13] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SKOS/Reference/Planning Guus: says that the explanantion for integrity constraint is unclear Sean: often if an assumption is made and if a property doesn't have a domain and range that this can be an error ... However, this is not correct Alistair: wasn't sure how to express the idea Guus: part can be dropped as not essential to the argument Sean: do you propose to drop the whole pragraph? Guus: only people knowledgeable about DL wouldn't know this is an error ... Make explicit that datatype don't have to be made explicit Sean: No objection if the comments are addressed Guus: would like to get an email showing how the different comments have been addressed Sean: The wiki addresses this and then will send an email version of the wiki page Guus: the revision should be made available by next Tuesday for a decision to be made at next telecon ... question about cardinality in appendix 2.2 Alistair: thought it was correct Guus: difference between local and global constraints ... is the intended semantic should always be 1? ... text seem to suggest it should be precisely one label ACTION: Sean and Alistair to propose a revised SKOS Reference for the last call by Fri 22/08/08 [recorded in [14]http://www.w3.org/2008/08/19-swd-minutes.html#action01] [14] http://www.w3.org/2008/08/19-swd-minutes.html#action01 ACTION: Ed to investigate what text could be added to primer re. concept co-ordination [recorded in [15]http://www.w3.org/2008/04/22-swd-minutes.html#action02] [DONE] [15] http://www.w3.org/2008/04/22-swd-minutes.html#action02 <edsu> [16]Concept Coordination text for SKOS Primer [16] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Aug/0032.html ACTION: Guus to write primer text re: broaderGeneric and equivalence w/r/t subclass [recorded in [17]http://www.w3.org/2008/03/18-swd-minutes.html#action08] [WITHDRAWN] [17] http://www.w3.org/2008/03/18-swd-minutes.html#action08 <Ralph> from the March 18 meeting record: [[ Sean: make skos:broaderGeneric rdfs:subPropertyOf rdfs:subClassOf . Guus: if you look at the broader definition it's not clear ... need more dicussion Alistair: if you have broaderGeneric as a subPropertyOf subClassOf ... through broaderGeneric ... requires more thought Sean: no theoretical reason for having super as transitive Guus: proposal was to write some primer text on it and should be fine ]] Ed and Antoine said it was not required anymore ACTION: Alistair to update the history page adding direct link to latest version of rdf triple [recorded in [18]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/17-swd-minutes.html#action01] [CONTINUES] [18] http://www.w3.org/2008/06/17-swd-minutes.html#action01 ACTION: Ed to write a note on SKOS-XL in the Primer [recorded in [19]http://www.w3.org/2008/08/05-swd-minutes.html#action10] [DONE] [19] http://www.w3.org/2008/08/05-swd-minutes.html#action10 Antoine wrote the proposal <edsu> Antoine, thanks for picking that skos-xl primer stuff up -- primer status Antoine has published on the wiki the latest editor's draft <Ralph> [20]new editor's draft of the SKOS Primer Antoine 2008-08-19] [20] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Aug/0041.html it could be considered for publication except that 2 items have still to be addressed 1. Tom has some editorial comments (minor) 2. Comment made by Alistair about example to be modified Ed is currently addressing this problem now <aliman> ed sounds great Ed: the example is going to be adapted to be more real 3. Related to comment on reference wrt to provenance and name graph The problem is caused by the Primer referring to the reference Alistair: no current plans Guus: propose to re-use text from previous reference Antoine: the section was empty, and not really sure how to solve it This is wrt section 2.5 and 3.1 <seanb> [21]Draft Primer [21] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SKOS/DraftPrimer?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=SKOSPrimer-080819.html Antoine: propose solution to remove reference to these sections in the primer Alistait: could refer to Web Conference paper on name graph Ralph: to refer to this work in progress on named graphs could be confusing to SKOS readers Sean: would be stranged to say there isn't any mechanism to do this Ralph: it's currently true, unless an example showing SPARQL usage is created Alistair: SKOS Reference doesn't cover this issue ACTION: Ralph and Guus to review the Primer Editor's Draft [recorded in [22]http://www.w3.org/2008/08/19-swd-minutes.html#action06] [22] http://www.w3.org/2008/08/19-swd-minutes.html#action06 RDFa Ben: The [23]implementation report has been submitted [23] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/implementation-report/ <Ralph> [24]RDFa Implementation Report and Reviewed Editors' Draft [Ben 2008-08-19] [24] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Aug/0044.html Ralph: Does this need to be formally reviewed? The syntax draft should also be reviewed Guues: thought the task force wanted to have a review of the implementation report <Ralph> we're not proposing to publish the Implementation Report as a Group Note, are we? Ben: Ask the reviewer (Ed and Diego) to check wether changes are ok ACTION: Ed and Diego to review the latest RDFa Syntax Editor's Draft [recorded in [25]http://www.w3.org/2008/08/19-swd-minutes.html#action07] [25] http://www.w3.org/2008/08/19-swd-minutes.html#action07 ACTION: Ben to prepare draft implementation report for RDFa (with assistance from Michael) [recorded in [26]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14] [DONE] [26] http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14 Ralph: what about CURIE Last Call draft review? Guus: take that under other business <Ralph> [I'd have liked to take that up before Ben left, but ok] Recipes Guus: Is anything blocking publication? Ralph: no, I just dropped the ball. Very sorry to Jon and Diego ACTION: Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of Recipes implementations] [recorded in [27]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20] [CONTINUES] [27] http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20 ACTION: Jon and Ralph to publish Recipes as Working Group Note [recorded in [28]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/10-swd-minutes.html#action03] [CONTINUES] [28] http://www.w3.org/2008/06/10-swd-minutes.html#action03 AOB a. Minimum RDFa metadata set for WG deliverables Diego: I changed the formatting as Ralph requested ... I'd like to add some examples ... regarding GRDDL, I added a section on how to use GRDDL ... I'd like to discuss this section -- whether it's relevant or not <berrueta> --> [29]SWD/wiki/AddingRDFaToTR [29] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/AddingRDFaToTR?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=draft.html Ralph: Section "How to use GRDDL?" needs to have some such material to be included ... the current markup could be confusing however ... i.e. TR markup with RDFa Diego: changed the name of the document wrt the document name Ralph: No problem with the title as mainly using RDFa Sean: Problem with HTML tag in the document Diego: Content negotiation could be the problem Sean: though it was caused with DTD Ralph: I have no objection to the change in title from "RDFa" to "metadata", but the justification is NOT that we're using more than RDFa Diego: problem has not been evaluated as problem with W3C markup validator ACTION: Diego to put the Wiki page on RDFa metadata in a Note form [recorded in [30]http://www.w3.org/2008/08/05-swd-minutes.html#action11] [CONTINUES] [30] http://www.w3.org/2008/08/05-swd-minutes.html#action11 <Ralph> [I'd say that Diego's action is done :) and now we're reviewing it ] b. Review CURIE Syntax 1.0 by Sep 5 "[31][Fwd: Last call announcement: CURIEs]" [18] [31] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Aug/0029.html [18] http://www.w3.org/2008/06/17-swd-minutes.html#action01 [32]http://www.w3.org/TR/curie/ [32] http://www.w3.org/TR/curie/ Ralph: Revision of the RDFa syntax addressing solution in CURIE ... This group through the RDFa are co-author of the Curie syntax and as such we were asked to review the document Jeremy: What if CURIE spec are rejected but NOT RDFa? Ralph: No answer can be made @ the current time Discussion to be postponed to next week ACTION: Jeremy to review Curie syntax doc by Sep 05 [recorded in [33]http://www.w3.org/2008/08/19-swd-minutes.html#action12] [33] http://www.w3.org/2008/08/19-swd-minutes.html#action12 Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: Ed and Diego to review the latest RDFa Syntax Editor's Draft [recorded in [34]http://www.w3.org/2008/08/19-swd-minutes.html#action07] [NEW] ACTION: Jeremy to review CURIE syntax doc by Sep 05 [recorded in [35]http://www.w3.org/2008/08/19-swd-minutes.html#action12] [NEW] ACTION: Ralph and Guus to review the Primer Editor's Draft [recorded in [36]http://www.w3.org/2008/08/19-swd-minutes.html#action06] [NEW] ACTION: Sean and Alistair to propose a revised SKOS Reference for the last call by Fri 22/08/08 [recorded in [37]http://www.w3.org/2008/08/19-swd-minutes.html#action01] [34] http://www.w3.org/2008/08/19-swd-minutes.html#action07 [35] http://www.w3.org/2008/08/19-swd-minutes.html#action12 [36] http://www.w3.org/2008/08/19-swd-minutes.html#action06 [37] http://www.w3.org/2008/08/19-swd-minutes.html#action01 [PENDING] ACTION: Alistair to update the history page adding direct link to latest version of rdf triple [recorded in [38]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/17-swd-minutes.html#action01] [PENDING] ACTION: Diego to put the Wiki page on RDFa metadata in a Note form [recorded in [39]http://www.w3.org/2008/08/05-swd-minutes.html#action11] [PENDING] ACTION: Jon and Ralph to publish Recipes as Working Group Note [recorded in [40]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/10-swd-minutes.html#action03] [PENDING] ACTION: Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of Recipes implementations] [recorded in [41]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20] [38] http://www.w3.org/2008/06/17-swd-minutes.html#action01 [39] http://www.w3.org/2008/08/05-swd-minutes.html#action11 [40] http://www.w3.org/2008/06/10-swd-minutes.html#action03 [41] http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20 [DONE] ACTION: Ben to prepare draft implementation report for RDFa (with assistance from Michael) [recorded in [42]http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14] [DONE] ACTION: Ed to investigate what text could be added to primer re. concept co-ordination [recorded in [43]http://www.w3.org/2008/04/22-swd-minutes.html#action02] [DONE] ACTION: Ed to write a note on SKOS-XL in the Primer [recorded in [44]http://www.w3.org/2008/08/05-swd-minutes.html#action10] [WITHDRAWN] ACTION: Guus to write primer text re: broaderGeneric and equivalence w/r/t subclass [recorded in [45]http://www.w3.org/2008/03/18-swd-minutes.html#action08] [End of minutes] _____________________________________________________ [42] http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14 [43] http://www.w3.org/2008/04/22-swd-minutes.html#action02 [44] http://www.w3.org/2008/08/05-swd-minutes.html#action10 [45] http://www.w3.org/2008/03/18-swd-minutes.html#action08 Minutes formatted by David Booth's [46]scribe.perl version 1.133 ([47]CVS log) $Date: 2008/08/19 17:11:21 $ [46] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm [47] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/
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