- From: Ralph R. Swick <swick@w3.org>
- Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 14:03:45 -0400
- To: public-swd-wg@w3.org
The record of today's meeting [1] is ready for your review.
[1] http://www.w3.org/2007/03/20-swd-minutes.html
A text snapshot follows below.
Topics
1. Admin
2. SKOS
3. Recipes
4. Vocabulary Management
5. Semantic Integration Note
6. RDFa
Summary of Resolutions
RESOLVED to proceed with publishing RDFa Use Cases: Scenarios for Embedding RDF in HTML as First Public Working Draft
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Ben make sure http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/scenarios/20070305/ is pubrules compliant and hand to Ralph [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/20-swd-minutes.html#action13]
[NEW] ACTION: Ben to send mail to Semantic Web and HTML mailing lists publicizing and soliciting comments on RDFa Primer and RDFa Use Cases work [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/20-swd-minutes.html#action14]
[NEW] ACTION: Guus ping Antoine regarding status of SKOS Use Cases editors' draft [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/20-swd-minutes.html#action10]
[NEW] ACTION: Guus revise his ISSUE-26 proposal to account for other options [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/20-swd-minutes.html#action07]
[PENDING] ACTION: Alan to write down the general documentation requirements, in particular to those that are related to literal values, and how to represent that in skos [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action09]
[PENDING] ACTION: Alan to write up the preferredLabel modelling issue [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action01]
[PENDING] ACTION: Elisa and Sean to review SKOS editor's draft http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/UCRMaterial?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=ucr-20070306.html by 27 March [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/20-swd-minutes.html#action03]
[PENDING] ACTION: Elisa to summarize state of Vocabulary Management draft, add comments, and coordinate work [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-swd-minutes.html#action06]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to Recipe issue 1.3 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14]
[DONE] ACTION: Alistair updates SKOS section of deliverables page based on proposed restructuring of documents cited in he previous email to the group [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/13-swd-minutes.html#action12]
[DONE] ACTION: Guus to check if Amsterdam can be F2F venue [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-swd-minutes.html#action17]
[DONE] ACTION: Ralph get tracker to watch public-swd-wg@w3.org [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/06-swd-minutes.html#action01]
[DROPPED] ACTION: Guus to propose resolution to SKOS issue 26 circa 15 March for discussion on 20 March [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-swd-minutes.html#action09]
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SWD WG
20 Mar 2007
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Mar/0093.html
See also: [3]IRC log, previous [4]2007-03-13
[3] http://www.w3.org/2007/03/20-swd-irc
[4] http://www.w3.org/2007/03/13-swd-minutes.html
Attendees
Present
Tom Baker, Ralph Swick, Jon Phipps, Siggi Handschuh, Vit
Novacek, Guus Schreiber, Alistair Miles, Simone Onofri, Ben
Adida
Regrets
Antoine Isaac, Bernard Horan, Diego Berrueta, Sean Bechhofer
Chair
Guus
Scribe
Ralph
Contents
* Topics
1. Admin
2. SKOS
3. Recipes
4. Vocabulary Management
5. Semantic Integration Note
6. RDFa
* Summary of Action Items
_____________________________________________________
Guus: welcome to Siggi and Vit
Admin
Tom: I need to check the record of 13 March actions, as there was
some confusion between me and Jon about status of one of them
Guus: we'll carry forward discussion of previous minutes to next
week, then
[later, just before adjourning]
Tom: I checked the minutes of the 13 March meeting and they look OK
RESOLVED to accept -> [13]minutes of 13 March telecon
[13] http://www.w3.org/2007/03/13-swd-minutes.html
ACTION: [DONE] Ralph get tracker to watch public-swd-wg@w3.org
[recorded in
[14]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/06-swd-minutes.html#action01]
[14] http://www.w3.org/2007/03/06-swd-minutes.html#action01
ACTION: [DONE] Guus to check if Amsterdam can be F2F venue [recorded
in [15]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-swd-minutes.html#action17]
[15] http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-swd-minutes.html#action17
Guus: CWI will host a meeting, either in our facilities or in the
W3C Amsterdam Office
Tom: we need more people to respond to the [16]f2f poll
[16] http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/39408/f2f2poll1
Ralph: see "Open polls and questionnaires" under "Nearby" on [17]WG
home page
[17] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/
SKOS
-> [18]SKOS Deliverable
[18] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/Deliverables#SKOS
ACTION: Elisa and Sean to review SKOS editor's draft
[19]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/UCRMaterial?action=AttachFile
&do=get&target=ucr-20070306.html by 27 March [recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/06-swd-minutes.html#action04]
[CONTINUES]
[19] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/UCRMaterial?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=ucr-20070306.html
[20] http://www.w3.org/2007/03/06-swd-minutes.html#action04
ACTION: Alan to write down the general documentation requirements,
in particular to those that are related to literal values, and how
to represent that in skos [recorded in
[21]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action09]
[CONTINUES]
[21] http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action09
ACTION: Alan to write up the preferredLabel modelling issue
[recorded in
[22]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action01]
[CONTINUES]
[22] http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action01
ACTION: Guus to propose resolution to SKOS issue 26 circa 15 March
for discussion on 20 March [recorded in
[23]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-swd-minutes.html#action09]
[WITHDRAWN]
[23] http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-swd-minutes.html#action09
Guus: I don't see a consensus yet; the WG appears to be split
... Alistair asked to postpone this issue
Alistair: we have only one concrete proposal on the table now, the
revised proposal from Guus
... we don't have a concrete proposal on alternatives, e.g.
class-as-pattern
... can't discuss alternatives without a concrete proposal
... I propose to postpone this issue until advocates for another
approach post a full proposal
... it doesn't have to be either-or, however; there are solutions
that might accomodate both
... see my [24]revised alternative proposal mailed yesterday
[24] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Mar/0092.html
Guus: I prefer solutions that make minimal changes to the original
specification while still handling the requirements
... my second proposal differed from my first proposal by dropping
requirements for alt labels and permitting more flexibility in the
value
... this makes the specification lighter
... this would be an intermediate minimal solution
Alistair: I thought earlier that your second proposal was the one
with 'has label relation' property
Guus: no, that was a refinement of my first proposal
Alistair: I don't like to have the range of a property be
underspecified
... I think it makes sense to set the expectation that range of
certain properties will be plain literals
... if an application has to deal with various alternatives, it
makes the implementation more complicated
<guus> [25]my second proposal
[25] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Mar/0004.html
Alistair: I would like to the *label property values to be plain
literals
... I agree with the approach Guus is proposing and make the
smallest commitment we can make that is sensible
... but having underspecified ranges for the particular label
properties may be harmful
Guus: the problem with alt and pref label is that we simply don't
know -- it depends on the specific vocabularies
... each vocabulary has a notion of alt and preferred label but
makes different decisions with respect to [use of] strings
... we can either complicate SKOS by adding multiple solutions or we
rule out one approach
Alistair: for any single vocabulary there are several ways to model
it in RDF
... just because we choose to use literals in altLabel and prefLabel
doesn't mean we've ruled out the ability to capture everything in
that vocabulary
... I show solutions that allow people to extend SKOS in various
ways while still permitting some interoperability
Guus: I have a feeling that our two proposals will not generate
consensus; they're viewed as too contrived
... forcing a vocabulary owner to create an individual for every
term is also unlikely to get consensus
... need a middle ground that allows for both
Alistair: my proposal does not prevent either approach; it's a
different way of looking at the problem
Guus: but it makes the specification more complicated
Alistair: I disagree; it creates 3 design patterns that can be
extended
... and would simplify one section of the current Guide
... it provides an extensibility framework for modelling
relationships between literals if you want to do so
... it's worth thinking about this
... I'd like to keep prefLabel, altLabel, and hiddenLabel stable
... there are entailments that follow from the use of plain literal;
e.g. a blank node of type rdfs:Literal
... you can name plain literals with URIs if you want
Guus: I don't want to go down that road
Alistair: it would help to have very specific proposal here, e.g.
for Guus' proposal to underspecify values
ACTION: Guus revise his ISSUE-26 proposal to account for other
options [recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/20-swd-minutes.html#action07]
ACTION: [DONE] Alistair updates SKOS section of deliverables page
based on proposed restructuring of documents cited in he previous
email to the group [recorded in
[27]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/13-swd-minutes.html#action12]
[27] http://www.w3.org/2007/03/13-swd-minutes.html#action12
Guus: I'll ping Antoine on the editor's draft of the SKOS Use Cases
ACTION: Guus ping Antoine regarding status of SKOS Use Cases
editors' draft [recorded in
[28]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/20-swd-minutes.html#action10]
Recipes
-> [29]Recipes
[29] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/Deliverables#Recipes
ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to Recipe issue 1.3 [recorded in
[30]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14]
[CONTINUES]
[30] http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14
Jon: Diego has posted some preliminary work on test cases
... I think we committed to early April to have a version
... I'll talk with Diego about whether we have enough material to
create an interim draft
Guus: It's fine to post a WD that notes still-open issues
Vocabulary Management
-> [31]Vocab Management
[31] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/Deliverables#VocabularyMgt
ACTION: Elisa to summarize state of Vocabulary Management draft, add
comments, and coordinate work [recorded in
[32]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-swd-minutes.html#action06]
[CONTINUES]
[32] http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-swd-minutes.html#action06
Guus: I'd like for Siggi and Vit to talk with Elisa and propose a
work plan for this Note
Vit: I've exchanged mail with Elisa and outlined what we are able to
offer
... we need to consider which parts of the very abstract proposal we
can contribute
Guus: Siggi and Vit head the vocabulary work in KnowledgeWeb, so I
appreciate their participation here
Semantic Integration Note
-> [33]Semantic Integration
[33] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/Deliverables#SemanticIntegration
Guus: we've decided to leave this item as low priority for now
... so I will omit it from future agenda for now and perhaps revive
it later
Ralph: so let's note in our Deliverables Wiki that this deliverable
is at risk
RDFa
-> [34]RDFa Primer 1.0 12 March 2007 published
[34] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Mar/0063.html
<benadida>
[35]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Mar/0047.h
tml
[35] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Mar/0047.html
Ben: I'm not sure I can cite specific reply from Alistair or Daniel
<benadida> [36][RDFa] Scenarios Review/
[36] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/scenarios/
-> [37]Request to Vote on publication of RDFa Primer and Use Case
documents
[37] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Mar/0037.html
Alistair: I've read the email describing responses to all my
comments and I'm happy if my comments have been addressed per that
email
Guus: please send email to the list with that reply, Alistair
<TomB> +1 to publish Use Case document as Working Draft
<Simone> +1
RESOLVED to proceed with publishing -> [38]RDFa Use Cases: Scenarios
for Embedding RDF in HTML as First Public Working Draft
[38] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/scenarios/20070305/
ACTION: Ben make sure
[39]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/scenarios/20070305/ is
pubrules compliant and hand to Ralph [recorded in
[40]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/20-swd-minutes.html#action13]
[39] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/scenarios/20070305/
Guus: I'd like Ben to do some publicity on relevant mailing lists;
e.g. semantic-web@w3.org
Ben: happy to do that. We also keep an RDFa blog
Guus: how about some html-related mailing lists?
ACTION: Ben to send mail to Semantic Web and HTML mailing lists
publicizing and soliciting comments on RDFa Primer and RDFa Use
Cases work [recorded in
[41]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/20-swd-minutes.html#action14]
Ben: I'd appreciate other suggestions on what mailing lists to
notify
[adjourned]
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Ben make sure
[42]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/scenarios/20070305/ is
pubrules compliant and hand to Ralph [recorded in
[43]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/20-swd-minutes.html#action13]
[NEW] ACTION: Ben to send mail to Semantic Web and HTML mailing
lists publicizing and soliciting comments on RDFa Primer and RDFa
Use Cases work [recorded in
[44]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/20-swd-minutes.html#action14]
[NEW] ACTION: Guus ping Antoine regarding status of SKOS Use Cases
editors' draft [recorded in
[45]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/20-swd-minutes.html#action10]
[NEW] ACTION: Guus revise his ISSUE-26 proposal to account for other
options [recorded in
[46]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/20-swd-minutes.html#action07]
[42] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/scenarios/20070305/
[PENDING] ACTION: Alan to write down the general documentation
requirements, in particular to those that are related to literal
values, and how to represent that in skos [recorded in
[47]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action09]
[PENDING] ACTION: Alan to write up the preferredLabel modelling
issue [recorded in
[48]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action01]
[PENDING] ACTION: Elisa and Sean to review SKOS editor's draft
[49]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/UCRMaterial?action=AttachFile
&do=get&target=ucr-20070306.html by 27 March [recorded in
[50]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/20-swd-minutes.html#action03]
[PENDING] ACTION: Elisa to summarize state of Vocabulary Management
draft, add comments, and coordinate work [recorded in
[51]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-swd-minutes.html#action06]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to Recipe issue 1.3
[recorded in
[52]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14]
[47] http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action09
[48] http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action01
[49] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/UCRMaterial?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=ucr-20070306.html
[51] http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-swd-minutes.html#action06
[52] http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14
[DONE] ACTION: Alistair updates SKOS section of deliverables page
based on proposed restructuring of documents cited in he previous
email to the group [recorded in
[53]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/13-swd-minutes.html#action12]
[DONE] ACTION: Guus to check if Amsterdam can be F2F venue [recorded
in [54]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-swd-minutes.html#action17]
[DONE] ACTION: Ralph get tracker to watch public-swd-wg@w3.org
[recorded in
[55]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/06-swd-minutes.html#action01]
[53] http://www.w3.org/2007/03/13-swd-minutes.html#action12
[54] http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-swd-minutes.html#action17
[55] http://www.w3.org/2007/03/06-swd-minutes.html#action01
[DROPPED] ACTION: Guus to propose resolution to SKOS issue 26 circa
15 March for discussion on 20 March [recorded in
[56]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-swd-minutes.html#action09]
[56] http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-swd-minutes.html#action09
[End of minutes]
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