- From: Kjetil Kjernsmo <kjetilk@opera.com>
- Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 10:57:13 +0200
- To: Public POWDER <public-powderwg@w3.org>
- Cc: public-swd-wg@w3.org
All, The discussion around SKOS with the SWD gave me some inspiration, and I found that the tags.r.us use case [1] needs some elaboration. It is quite clear that it is hard to create something as generic as I need for this tagging thing, and I need to argue some more about the usefulness of the feature. Also, the tags.r.us use case could be a little more imaginatively written, so I propose the following for an updated working group note: [[[ The social book-marking site tags.r.us allows their users to tag any resource and so provides a service through which people can annotate both their own and others' resources. Anders, a zoologist and tags.r.us user, finds a website about the dahut, an allegedly undescribed animal that lives in the French Alps. Anders wants to make sure the it is understood by readers that this is a fictional character, but interesting to understand the full spectrum of cryptozoological thinking, and thus tags it "fictional". The word "fictional" is not very useful without context, so to enable such user-defined tags to be shared with others, tags.r.us allows users to assign a link between their own tags and a Description Resource, that provides the context that it is about an alleged fictional animal. An agent can thus use the tag as appropriate, processing the explicit semantics provided by the DR but perhaps presenting other users with Anders' original tags. ]]] I think this should also answer Antoine's question if it is a important need, yes, I think it is since a tag without context is often totally useless to anyone other than the tagger himself. In this case, it would be reasonable for the tagger to tag simply "fictional", but that would only be useful when the context of linking that to the description is available. I have another nice example of images on one of Norway's largest social photo sites are geotagged "drammen", which is a medium-sized city. There's a screenshot at [2]. It is quite clear, none of the images have any useful connection to Drammen whatsoever... The ability of linking a tag to a clearer meaning and context is important for tags to become useful annotation. I have mostly looked at this as a UI problem, but it has crossed my mind too that the predicate could depend on the type of the object, and actually the subject too. It might not be quite as powerful, but then, exposing users to too much complexity confuses them. Antoine raised this point in his latest reply, and I think this creates a new requirement for POWDER, I suggest: [[[ 3.2.6 Distinguishable resource types It must be possible to distinguish POWDER resource types from other kinds of resources. ]]] I think this means that we cannot just use rdf:Description as we have previously thought, but that is a topic for POWDER to discuss, perhaps' in Monday's teleconf? I hope this gives SWD a bit more to work on with respect to SKOS usage in tagging. I still think it is useful to have a very generic property, since, face it, those sites that employ tagging will not do a lot to create elaborate mapping systems that uses the full power of RDF. Also, since I have only three hours to implement it myself, I think that I will be stuck with skos:it. I'll document the discussion, though. [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/powder-use-cases/#tagsrus [2] http://dev.kjernsmo.net/tagget-drammen.png Cheers, Kjetil -- Kjetil Kjernsmo Semantic Web Specialist Opera Software ASA
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