- From: Diego Berrueta <diego.berrueta@fundacionctic.org>
- Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:36:22 +0200
- To: SWD Working Group <public-swd-wg@w3.org>
The [1]record of yesterday's Semantic Web Deployment WG
telecon is ready for review. A text copy follows below.
There was one unrecorded action, please read [1B] (sorry about
that, Tom).
[1] http://www.w3.org/2007/06/19-swd-minutes
[1B] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jun/0115.html
Topics:
1. Admin
2. SKOS
3. Recipes
4. Vocabulary Management
5. RDFa
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: aliman to provide examples of cases where
presentational information is required [recorded in
[33]http://www.w3.org/2007/06/19-swd-minutes.html#action10]
[NEW] ACTION: seanb to create the template for test cases in the
wiki [recorded in
[34]http://www.w3.org/2007/06/19-swd-minutes.html#action04]
[33] http://www.w3.org/2007/06/19-swd-minutes.html#action10
[34] http://www.w3.org/2007/06/19-swd-minutes.html#action04
[PENDING] ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to Recipe issue 1.3
[recorded in
[35]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-swd-minutes.html#action09]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ralph to update SKOS pages to point to UCR
[recorded in
[36]http://www.w3.org/2007/06/05-swd-minutes.html#action01]
[35] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-swd-minutes.html#action09
[36] http://www.w3.org/2007/06/05-swd-minutes.html#action01
[DONE] ACTION: Alistair to fix wording on skos issues sandbox
[recorded in
[37]http://www.w3.org/2007/06/05-swd-minutes.html#action03]
[DONE] ACTION: Alistair to propose minimal fix for resolution of
issue 33 [recorded in
[38]http://www.w3.org/2007/05/22-swd-minutes.html#action09]
[DONE] ACTION: Alistair to propose resolution for Issue-33 (minimal
fix) [recorded in
[39]http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-swd-minutes.html#action12]
[DONE] ACTION: Alistair to provide details of alternative proposal
[recorded in
[40]http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-swd-minutes.html#action10]
[DONE] ACTION: Alistair will look at raising the examples from the
issues to test cases [recorded in
[41]http://www.w3.org/2007/05/15-swd-minutes.html#action06]
[DONE] ACTION: Guus to update proposal with issue of single vs.
multiple labels for terms [recorded in
[42]http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-swd-minutes.html#action09]
[DONE] ACTION: Jon and Alistair: Move SKOS issues over from Sandbox
to Tracker on an ongoing basis [recorded in
[43]http://www.w3.org/2007/05/08-swd-minutes.html#action10]
[37] http://www.w3.org/2007/06/05-swd-minutes.html#action03
[38] http://www.w3.org/2007/05/22-swd-minutes.html#action09
[39] http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-swd-minutes.html#action12
[40] http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-swd-minutes.html#action10
[41] http://www.w3.org/2007/05/15-swd-minutes.html#action06
[42] http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-swd-minutes.html#action09
[43] http://www.w3.org/2007/05/08-swd-minutes.html#action10
The full text of the minutes follows.
Semantic Web Deployment Working Group
19 Jun 2007
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jun/0084.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2007/06/19-swd-irc
Attendees
Present
Tom Baker, Diego Berrueta, Ed Summers, Vit Novacek, Alistair
Miles, Antoine Isaac, Kjetil Kjernsmo, Elisa Kendall, Sean
Bechhofer, Ben Adida, +1.267.391.aaaa, Clay Redding, Jon
Phipps
Regrets
Ralph Swick, Daniel Rubin, Justin Thorp
Chair
Tom Baker
Scribe
Diego Berrueta
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Admin
2. [6]SKOS
3. [7]Recipes
4. [8]Vocabulary management
5. [9]RDFa
* [10]Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________
<Guus> [I'm stuck here in a review meeting, with no access to a
phone]
Admin
<Zakim> aliman, you wanted to ask for last minute addition to agenda
regarding SKOS and POWDER linkage
tomb: accept adding a new item to the agenda as requested by
Alistair
PROPOSED to accept minutes of 12 June telecon:
[11]http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-swd-minutes.html
[11] http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-swd-minutes.html
RESOLUTION: accepted minutes of 12 June
next telecon: 26 June
SKOS
<scribe> ACTION: Ralph to update SKOS pages to point to UCR
[recorded in
[12]http://www.w3.org/2007/06/05-swd-minutes.html#action01]
[CONTINUES]
[12] http://www.w3.org/2007/06/05-swd-minutes.html#action01
aliman: wording looks fine
Antoine: sandbox is dead, some issues that were not fine-worded
might now disappear
<scribe> ACTION: Alistair to fix wording on SKOS issues sandbox
[recorded in
[13]http://www.w3.org/2007/06/05-swd-minutes.html#action03] [DONE]
[13] http://www.w3.org/2007/06/05-swd-minutes.html#action03
<scribe> ACTION: Jon and Alistair: Move SKOS issues over from
Sandbox to Tracker on an ongoing basis [recorded in
[14]http://www.w3.org/2007/05/08-swd-minutes.html#action10] [DONE]
[14] http://www.w3.org/2007/05/08-swd-minutes.html#action10
TomB asks about the test cases. Any progress?
aliman: suggest to go as per-issue basis
... unsure about how the test cases will look like
... there will be some entailment test cases for SKOS like in OWL,
but also other test cases
... we might open a new document
seanb: it will be useful for us to have a central document that
describes how SKOS test cases should be like
<GuusS> +1
aliman: suggest to create a wiki that might serve as template for
test cases
<TomB> +1 to Alistair's idea of setting up wiki draft with
entailment test cases, etc
TomB: volunteers to create this template in the wiki?
aliman describes the procedure to create a wiki template
<scribe> ACTION: seanb to create the template for test cases in the
wiki [recorded in
[15]http://www.w3.org/2007/06/19-swd-minutes.html#action04]
[15] http://www.w3.org/2007/06/19-swd-minutes.html#action04
<aliman> SKOS Semantics ->
[16]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SKOS/Semantics
[16] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SKOS/Semantics
<scribe> ACTION: Alistair will look at raising the examples from the
issues to test cases [recorded in
[17]http://www.w3.org/2007/05/15-swd-minutes.html#action06] [DONE]
[17] http://www.w3.org/2007/05/15-swd-minutes.html#action06
<scribe> ACTION: Guus to update proposal with issue of single vs.
multiple labels for terms [recorded in
[18]http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-swd-minutes.html#action09] [DONE]
[18] http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-swd-minutes.html#action09
<aliman> Template used for some sub-pages in SKOS Semantics ->
[19]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SkosModuleTemplate
[19] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SkosModuleTemplate
<scribe> ACTION: Alistair to provide details of alternative proposal
[recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-swd-minutes.html#action10] [DONE]
[20] http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-swd-minutes.html#action10
TomB: we have two new alternative proposals on the table now for
issue 26
<GuusS> Guus: I have done a small user study to compare the
usability of the two proposals for Issue 26, and will report on the
results later this week
<aliman>
[21]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SkosDesign/RelationshipsBetwe
enLabels
[21] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SkosDesign/RelationshipsBetweenLabels
aliman presents the "Minimal label relation" proposal (proposal
four)
aliman: new class skos:LabelRelation, labels are represented as
literals, LabelRelation glues them together
... very similar to the first proposal, but slightly more general
... allows relationships between any number of labels
... (now regarding proposal three) I sent an email asking about the
multiplicity of the relationship between Labels and literals
Antoine: I responded to Alistair's mail, suggesting if two Labels
have the same literal value, they should be the same
<Antoine> my answer to Alistair ->
[22]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jun/0064.h
tml
[22] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jun/0064.html
aliman: I'm trying to clarify when two SKOS labels are the same
thing
<GuusS> question for Alistair: how do you handle directed relations
like acronymOf?
<GuusS> I guess via subproperties of labelRelated
aliman: (to GuusS) yes
... the proposal points that extensions of the vocabulary should be
used
TomB: we should make progress on the mailing list
TomB: and try to make a resolution for next week
... now we move forward to issue 33
<scribe> ACTION: Alistair to propose resolution for Issue-33
(minimal fix) [recorded in
[23]http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-swd-minutes.html#action12] [DONE]
[23] http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-swd-minutes.html#action12
<scribe> ACTION: Alistair to propose minimal fix for resolution of
issue 33 [recorded in
[24]http://www.w3.org/2007/05/22-swd-minutes.html#action09] [DONE]
[24] http://www.w3.org/2007/05/22-swd-minutes.html#action09
<aliman>
[25]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SKOS/Semantics/Grouping?actio
n=recall&rev=4 -> section of SKOS semantics
[25] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SKOS/Semantics/Grouping?action=recall&rev=4
aliman: the content of this section reflects more or less the same
as the original proposal
aliman: in the original there were some detailed examples
... but they should be moved into SKOS Primer
... and keep only minor examples in SKOS semantics
... Antoine sent an email asking for clarification of some points
... in general, it is out of scope for SKOS to provide all the
information required to layout a systematic display of the thesaurus
... there is a default way to build a systematic display based on
the SKOS data
... the same question has appeared in different contexts
TomB: agree that SKOS should not try to provide all this information
... UCR (Use Cases and Requirements) might include a reference to
this design decision
aliman: UCR should say that representing presentational information
is out of scope
... but the primer might include some hints
<aliman>
[26]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jun/0061.h
tml -> Alistair's statement about presentational information and
SKOS scope
[26] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jun/0061.html
aliman: the data in SKOS is enough to generate an alphabetical
display, for instance
... but when it comes to systematical/hierarchical display, it might
be not enough
... you might need some extra data
... but there are enough data to create a default display
... this might be a starting point to talk about what is
presentational information and what is not
... for instance, consider people by age; age ranges are captured in
SKOS, but ordering is a presentational detail
Antoine: this relates with the usage of SKOS, not only the
specification
aliman: "schedule" describes the actual presentation
Antoine: please point at examples where this information cannot be
represented in SKOS
<scribe> ACTION: aliman to provide examples of cases where
presentational information is required [recorded in
[27]http://www.w3.org/2007/06/19-swd-minutes.html#action10]
[27] http://www.w3.org/2007/06/19-swd-minutes.html#action10
<GuusS> [I'm still in a review meeting, have to drop off, sorry for
missing the telecon]
TomB: we move now into a new point in the agenda about POWDER
aliman: Phil Archer mailed me about POWDER
... (POWDER is an RDF vocabulary to represent content labels)
... about the dependency between SKOS and POWDER
<kjetilk>
[28]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jan/0069.h
tml
[28] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jan/0069.html
<kjetilk>
[29]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Mar/0049.h
tml
[29] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Mar/0049.html
<kjetilk>
[30]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Apr/0015.h
tml
[30] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Apr/0015.html
kjetilk describes POWDER objectives
kjetilk: user interface gives people the option to specify the
predicate and the object
... quite different uses
... I need a single predicate that maps to SKOS
<aliman> skos:it/skos:as discussion
aliman: some time ago, during early development of SKOS
... linking skos:Concepts to classes in an ontology
... danbri proposed skos:it and skos:as
... for instance, link a skos:Concept with a foaf:Person
... we don't have this in our UCR
... it is up to kjetilk to do something, we don't have anything on
the table
<kjetilk>
[31]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jan/0069.h
tml
[31] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jan/0069.html
TomB: it doesn't look that we can do anything by this Friday
aliman: this is one of several similar use cases
... this is close with the issue of interoperability with OWL
Antoine: is this related to the potential issue that I flagged this
week?
... daniel also referred to this problem
TomB suggests putting this into next week's agenda
TomB: somebody should summarize this in an email to the list
... any volunteers?
Antoine: I volunteer
Recipes
<scribe> ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to Recipe issue 1.3
[recorded in
[32]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-swd-minutes.html#action09]
[CONTINUES]
[32] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-swd-minutes.html#action09
Vocabulary management
Elisa: I want to propose to talk about this next week
... to discuss about issues with URIs, also in relation with
danbri's mail
TomB: there is some contextual information in the recipes, but
vocabulary management document should take a broader view
... I'm not sure about how to put this into the agenda
... it's a rather difficult topic to explain, see the semantic-web
mailing list recently
... it would be difficult to make progress if we use the telecons
for brainstorming
RDFa
ben: remaining issues should be solved quickly, they are not
controversial
TomB: No further business, meeting adjourned
[End of minutes]
--
Diego Berrueta
R&D Department - CTIC Foundation
E-mail: diego.berrueta@fundacionctic.org
Phone: +34 984 29 12 12
Parque Científico Tecnológico Gijón-Asturias-Spain
www.fundacionctic.org
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