- From: Diego Berrueta <diego.berrueta@fundacionctic.org>
- Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:36:22 +0200
- To: SWD Working Group <public-swd-wg@w3.org>
The [1]record of yesterday's Semantic Web Deployment WG telecon is ready for review. A text copy follows below. There was one unrecorded action, please read [1B] (sorry about that, Tom). [1] http://www.w3.org/2007/06/19-swd-minutes [1B] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jun/0115.html Topics: 1. Admin 2. SKOS 3. Recipes 4. Vocabulary Management 5. RDFa Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: aliman to provide examples of cases where presentational information is required [recorded in [33]http://www.w3.org/2007/06/19-swd-minutes.html#action10] [NEW] ACTION: seanb to create the template for test cases in the wiki [recorded in [34]http://www.w3.org/2007/06/19-swd-minutes.html#action04] [33] http://www.w3.org/2007/06/19-swd-minutes.html#action10 [34] http://www.w3.org/2007/06/19-swd-minutes.html#action04 [PENDING] ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to Recipe issue 1.3 [recorded in [35]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-swd-minutes.html#action09] [PENDING] ACTION: Ralph to update SKOS pages to point to UCR [recorded in [36]http://www.w3.org/2007/06/05-swd-minutes.html#action01] [35] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-swd-minutes.html#action09 [36] http://www.w3.org/2007/06/05-swd-minutes.html#action01 [DONE] ACTION: Alistair to fix wording on skos issues sandbox [recorded in [37]http://www.w3.org/2007/06/05-swd-minutes.html#action03] [DONE] ACTION: Alistair to propose minimal fix for resolution of issue 33 [recorded in [38]http://www.w3.org/2007/05/22-swd-minutes.html#action09] [DONE] ACTION: Alistair to propose resolution for Issue-33 (minimal fix) [recorded in [39]http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-swd-minutes.html#action12] [DONE] ACTION: Alistair to provide details of alternative proposal [recorded in [40]http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-swd-minutes.html#action10] [DONE] ACTION: Alistair will look at raising the examples from the issues to test cases [recorded in [41]http://www.w3.org/2007/05/15-swd-minutes.html#action06] [DONE] ACTION: Guus to update proposal with issue of single vs. multiple labels for terms [recorded in [42]http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-swd-minutes.html#action09] [DONE] ACTION: Jon and Alistair: Move SKOS issues over from Sandbox to Tracker on an ongoing basis [recorded in [43]http://www.w3.org/2007/05/08-swd-minutes.html#action10] [37] http://www.w3.org/2007/06/05-swd-minutes.html#action03 [38] http://www.w3.org/2007/05/22-swd-minutes.html#action09 [39] http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-swd-minutes.html#action12 [40] http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-swd-minutes.html#action10 [41] http://www.w3.org/2007/05/15-swd-minutes.html#action06 [42] http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-swd-minutes.html#action09 [43] http://www.w3.org/2007/05/08-swd-minutes.html#action10 The full text of the minutes follows. Semantic Web Deployment Working Group 19 Jun 2007 [2]Agenda [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jun/0084.html See also: [3]IRC log [3] http://www.w3.org/2007/06/19-swd-irc Attendees Present Tom Baker, Diego Berrueta, Ed Summers, Vit Novacek, Alistair Miles, Antoine Isaac, Kjetil Kjernsmo, Elisa Kendall, Sean Bechhofer, Ben Adida, +1.267.391.aaaa, Clay Redding, Jon Phipps Regrets Ralph Swick, Daniel Rubin, Justin Thorp Chair Tom Baker Scribe Diego Berrueta Contents * [4]Topics 1. [5]Admin 2. [6]SKOS 3. [7]Recipes 4. [8]Vocabulary management 5. [9]RDFa * [10]Summary of Action Items _________________________________________________________ <Guus> [I'm stuck here in a review meeting, with no access to a phone] Admin <Zakim> aliman, you wanted to ask for last minute addition to agenda regarding SKOS and POWDER linkage tomb: accept adding a new item to the agenda as requested by Alistair PROPOSED to accept minutes of 12 June telecon: [11]http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-swd-minutes.html [11] http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-swd-minutes.html RESOLUTION: accepted minutes of 12 June next telecon: 26 June SKOS <scribe> ACTION: Ralph to update SKOS pages to point to UCR [recorded in [12]http://www.w3.org/2007/06/05-swd-minutes.html#action01] [CONTINUES] [12] http://www.w3.org/2007/06/05-swd-minutes.html#action01 aliman: wording looks fine Antoine: sandbox is dead, some issues that were not fine-worded might now disappear <scribe> ACTION: Alistair to fix wording on SKOS issues sandbox [recorded in [13]http://www.w3.org/2007/06/05-swd-minutes.html#action03] [DONE] [13] http://www.w3.org/2007/06/05-swd-minutes.html#action03 <scribe> ACTION: Jon and Alistair: Move SKOS issues over from Sandbox to Tracker on an ongoing basis [recorded in [14]http://www.w3.org/2007/05/08-swd-minutes.html#action10] [DONE] [14] http://www.w3.org/2007/05/08-swd-minutes.html#action10 TomB asks about the test cases. Any progress? aliman: suggest to go as per-issue basis ... unsure about how the test cases will look like ... there will be some entailment test cases for SKOS like in OWL, but also other test cases ... we might open a new document seanb: it will be useful for us to have a central document that describes how SKOS test cases should be like <GuusS> +1 aliman: suggest to create a wiki that might serve as template for test cases <TomB> +1 to Alistair's idea of setting up wiki draft with entailment test cases, etc TomB: volunteers to create this template in the wiki? aliman describes the procedure to create a wiki template <scribe> ACTION: seanb to create the template for test cases in the wiki [recorded in [15]http://www.w3.org/2007/06/19-swd-minutes.html#action04] [15] http://www.w3.org/2007/06/19-swd-minutes.html#action04 <aliman> SKOS Semantics -> [16]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SKOS/Semantics [16] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SKOS/Semantics <scribe> ACTION: Alistair will look at raising the examples from the issues to test cases [recorded in [17]http://www.w3.org/2007/05/15-swd-minutes.html#action06] [DONE] [17] http://www.w3.org/2007/05/15-swd-minutes.html#action06 <scribe> ACTION: Guus to update proposal with issue of single vs. multiple labels for terms [recorded in [18]http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-swd-minutes.html#action09] [DONE] [18] http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-swd-minutes.html#action09 <aliman> Template used for some sub-pages in SKOS Semantics -> [19]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SkosModuleTemplate [19] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SkosModuleTemplate <scribe> ACTION: Alistair to provide details of alternative proposal [recorded in [20]http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-swd-minutes.html#action10] [DONE] [20] http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-swd-minutes.html#action10 TomB: we have two new alternative proposals on the table now for issue 26 <GuusS> Guus: I have done a small user study to compare the usability of the two proposals for Issue 26, and will report on the results later this week <aliman> [21]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SkosDesign/RelationshipsBetwe enLabels [21] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SkosDesign/RelationshipsBetweenLabels aliman presents the "Minimal label relation" proposal (proposal four) aliman: new class skos:LabelRelation, labels are represented as literals, LabelRelation glues them together ... very similar to the first proposal, but slightly more general ... allows relationships between any number of labels ... (now regarding proposal three) I sent an email asking about the multiplicity of the relationship between Labels and literals Antoine: I responded to Alistair's mail, suggesting if two Labels have the same literal value, they should be the same <Antoine> my answer to Alistair -> [22]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jun/0064.h tml [22] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jun/0064.html aliman: I'm trying to clarify when two SKOS labels are the same thing <GuusS> question for Alistair: how do you handle directed relations like acronymOf? <GuusS> I guess via subproperties of labelRelated aliman: (to GuusS) yes ... the proposal points that extensions of the vocabulary should be used TomB: we should make progress on the mailing list TomB: and try to make a resolution for next week ... now we move forward to issue 33 <scribe> ACTION: Alistair to propose resolution for Issue-33 (minimal fix) [recorded in [23]http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-swd-minutes.html#action12] [DONE] [23] http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-swd-minutes.html#action12 <scribe> ACTION: Alistair to propose minimal fix for resolution of issue 33 [recorded in [24]http://www.w3.org/2007/05/22-swd-minutes.html#action09] [DONE] [24] http://www.w3.org/2007/05/22-swd-minutes.html#action09 <aliman> [25]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SKOS/Semantics/Grouping?actio n=recall&rev=4 -> section of SKOS semantics [25] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SKOS/Semantics/Grouping?action=recall&rev=4 aliman: the content of this section reflects more or less the same as the original proposal aliman: in the original there were some detailed examples ... but they should be moved into SKOS Primer ... and keep only minor examples in SKOS semantics ... Antoine sent an email asking for clarification of some points ... in general, it is out of scope for SKOS to provide all the information required to layout a systematic display of the thesaurus ... there is a default way to build a systematic display based on the SKOS data ... the same question has appeared in different contexts TomB: agree that SKOS should not try to provide all this information ... UCR (Use Cases and Requirements) might include a reference to this design decision aliman: UCR should say that representing presentational information is out of scope ... but the primer might include some hints <aliman> [26]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jun/0061.h tml -> Alistair's statement about presentational information and SKOS scope [26] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jun/0061.html aliman: the data in SKOS is enough to generate an alphabetical display, for instance ... but when it comes to systematical/hierarchical display, it might be not enough ... you might need some extra data ... but there are enough data to create a default display ... this might be a starting point to talk about what is presentational information and what is not ... for instance, consider people by age; age ranges are captured in SKOS, but ordering is a presentational detail Antoine: this relates with the usage of SKOS, not only the specification aliman: "schedule" describes the actual presentation Antoine: please point at examples where this information cannot be represented in SKOS <scribe> ACTION: aliman to provide examples of cases where presentational information is required [recorded in [27]http://www.w3.org/2007/06/19-swd-minutes.html#action10] [27] http://www.w3.org/2007/06/19-swd-minutes.html#action10 <GuusS> [I'm still in a review meeting, have to drop off, sorry for missing the telecon] TomB: we move now into a new point in the agenda about POWDER aliman: Phil Archer mailed me about POWDER ... (POWDER is an RDF vocabulary to represent content labels) ... about the dependency between SKOS and POWDER <kjetilk> [28]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jan/0069.h tml [28] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jan/0069.html <kjetilk> [29]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Mar/0049.h tml [29] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Mar/0049.html <kjetilk> [30]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Apr/0015.h tml [30] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Apr/0015.html kjetilk describes POWDER objectives kjetilk: user interface gives people the option to specify the predicate and the object ... quite different uses ... I need a single predicate that maps to SKOS <aliman> skos:it/skos:as discussion aliman: some time ago, during early development of SKOS ... linking skos:Concepts to classes in an ontology ... danbri proposed skos:it and skos:as ... for instance, link a skos:Concept with a foaf:Person ... we don't have this in our UCR ... it is up to kjetilk to do something, we don't have anything on the table <kjetilk> [31]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jan/0069.h tml [31] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jan/0069.html TomB: it doesn't look that we can do anything by this Friday aliman: this is one of several similar use cases ... this is close with the issue of interoperability with OWL Antoine: is this related to the potential issue that I flagged this week? ... daniel also referred to this problem TomB suggests putting this into next week's agenda TomB: somebody should summarize this in an email to the list ... any volunteers? Antoine: I volunteer Recipes <scribe> ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to Recipe issue 1.3 [recorded in [32]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-swd-minutes.html#action09] [CONTINUES] [32] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-swd-minutes.html#action09 Vocabulary management Elisa: I want to propose to talk about this next week ... to discuss about issues with URIs, also in relation with danbri's mail TomB: there is some contextual information in the recipes, but vocabulary management document should take a broader view ... I'm not sure about how to put this into the agenda ... it's a rather difficult topic to explain, see the semantic-web mailing list recently ... it would be difficult to make progress if we use the telecons for brainstorming RDFa ben: remaining issues should be solved quickly, they are not controversial TomB: No further business, meeting adjourned [End of minutes] -- Diego Berrueta R&D Department - CTIC Foundation E-mail: diego.berrueta@fundacionctic.org Phone: +34 984 29 12 12 Parque Científico Tecnológico Gijón-Asturias-Spain www.fundacionctic.org
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