- From: Hausenblas, Michael <michael.hausenblas@joanneum.at>
- Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 15:44:44 +0100
- To: "Ben Adida" <ben@adida.net>
- Cc: <public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf@w3.org>, <public-swd-wg@w3.org>
Ben, "ACTION: Michael move the issues list to the Wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action03]" has been done. I would like you to take a look now at [1] and go over sections flagged with "ToDo". There are things I can't resolve by myself; I listed them here for your convenience: So called "open issues": + http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFinXHTML_Taskforce_Issues#LocalBlan kNodeIdentifiers + http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFinXHTML_Taskforce_Issues#XMLLang + http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFinXHTML_Taskforce_Issues#NestedMet asAndLinks + http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFinXHTML_Taskforce_Issues#XHTML11Na mespaceDoesntEndInSlashOrHash + http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFinXHTML_Taskforce_Issues#EliasTAnd LeeFComments So called "resolved, closed, or deferred issues": + http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFinXHTML_Taskforce_Issues#ApplyingM etadataToSrcURI + http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFinXHTML_Taskforce_Issues#hGRDDL + http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFinXHTML_Taskforce_Issues#Section3O fPrimerBetterMotivated Thanks. Cheers, Michael [1] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFinXHTML_Taskforce_Issues ---------------------------------------------------------- Michael Hausenblas, MSc. Institute of Information Systems & Information Management JOANNEUM RESEARCH Forschungsgesellschaft mbH http://www.joanneum.at/iis/ ---------------------------------------------------------- >-----Original Message----- >From: public-swd-wg-request@w3.org >[mailto:public-swd-wg-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Ralph R. Swick >Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 8:06 PM >To: public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf@w3.org >Cc: public-swd-wg@w3.org >Subject: [RDFa] meeting record: 2006-12-18 RDF-in-XHTML telecon > > >The record of today's RDF in XHTML telecon is available [1]. >A full text snapshot follows below. > > [1] http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes > >Topics > > 1. Use Cases > 2. XHTML 1.1 module status > 3. Issues > >Summary of Action Items > >[NEW] ACTION: Ben add chem-bla-ics use case to a science use >case [recorded in >http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action17] > >[NEW] ACTION: Ben add a forwarding pointer to >http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/HTML/2005-current-issue >s when the new wiki issues list page is created [recorded in >http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action04] > >[NEW] ACTION: Ben look at Semantic Media Wiki use case >[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action15] > >[NEW] ACTION: Mark produce RDFa XHTML 1.1 module and spec >[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action06] > >[NEW] ACTION: Michael move the issues list to the wiki >[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action03] > >[NEW] ACTION: Michael review Mobile Device use case [recorded >in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action16] > >[PENDING] ACTION: Ben to look into Science Commons use case >[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/11-htmltf-minutes.html#action04] > >[PENDING] ACTION: Elias start an FAQ [recorded in >http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action04] > >[PENDING] ACTION: Elias to send email to list with use case >from IBM [recorded in >http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action10] > >[PENDING] ACTION: Mark produce more examples of applicability >of n-ary relations from IPTC documents [recorded in >http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action08] > >[PENDING] ACTION: Mark write examples/tests of striping >support [recorded in >http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action07] > >[PENDING] ACTION: Steven to put together sample XHTML2 doc >with all mime type, etc.. [recorded in >http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action09] > >[WITHDRAWN] ACTION: Elias to send by email examples of HTML >markup that could be problematic with reification [recorded in >http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action05] > >[DONE] ACTION: Ben update the issues list [recorded in >http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action03] > >[DONE] ACTION: Elias to look into sharing Open Office with >task force [recorded in >http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action11] > >[DONE] ACTION: Mark to report on schema progress [recorded in >http://www.w3.org/2006/12/11-htmltf-minutes.html#action05] > >[DONE] ACTION: Michael to research extended usages of RDFa in >Wikis [recorded in >http://www.w3.org/2006/12/11-htmltf-minutes.html#action03] > >-Ralph > >---- > > RDF-in-XHTML TF > >18 Dec 2006 > > [2]Agenda > > [2] >http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2006 Dec/0034.html > > See also: [3]IRC log, previous [4]2006-12-11 > > [3] http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-irc > [4] http://www.w3.org/2006/12/11-htmltf-minutes > >Attendees > > Present > Michael Hausenblas, Ralph Swick, Ben Adida, Mark Birbeck > > Regrets > Chair > Ben > > Scribe > Ralph > >Contents > > * [5]Topics > 1. [6]Use Cases > 2. [7]XHTML 1.1 module status > 3. [8]Issues > * [9]Summary of Action Items > _____________________________________________________ > > > Ben: I've revived discussion of hGRDDL on the GRDDL WG list; see > "[10]Re: Review of testlist1#rdfa" > ... the idea was that given lots of deployed microformats, perhaps > it would be good to use GRDDL to transform them to RDFa to preserve > rendering characteristics rather than directly to RDF > > [10] >http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2006Dec/0042.html > > Michael: I like the idea > > Michael: the Wiki seems to be dropping some updates in the > [11]RecentChanges report > ... I've edited > [12]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa_Use_Cases_and_Requiremen > ts 5-6 times but only the most recent appears > > [11] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RecentChanges > [12] >http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa_Use_Cases_and_Requirements > > <mhausenblas> > [13]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa_Use_Cases_and_Requiremen > ts?action=info > > [13] >http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa_Use_Cases_and_Requireme >nts?action=info > > Michael: the final version does show all the changes > ... but the [14]recent changes page doesn't show all the changes > > [14] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RecentChanges > > ACTION: Ben to look into Science Commons use case [recorded in > [15]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/11-htmltf-minutes.html#action04] > [CONTINUES] > > [15] http://www.w3.org/2006/12/11-htmltf-minutes.html#action04 > > Ben: I'm talking with Science Commons. Their use cases tend to be > quite long so I'm working on distilling something down to the core > > ACTION: [DONE] Ben update the issues list [recorded in > [16]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action03] > > [16] http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action03 > > Ben: shall we move the issues list to the wiki? > > Michael: I'll volunteer to move it > > ACTION: Michael move the issues list to the wiki [recorded in > [17]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action03] > > [17] http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action03 > > <mhausenblas> > [18]http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/HTML/2005-current-issues > > [18] >http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/HTML/2005-current-issues > > ACTION: Ben add a forwarding pointer to > [19]http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/HTML/2005-current-issues > when the new wiki issues list page is done [recorded in > [20]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action04] > > [19] >http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/HTML/2005-current-issues > [20] http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action04 > > ACTION: [DONE] Mark to report on schema progress [recorded in > [21]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/11-htmltf-minutes.html#action05] > > [21] http://www.w3.org/2006/12/11-htmltf-minutes.html#action05 > > Mark: I've talked with Shane and we're going to move forward using > some templates we already have > > ACTION: Mark produce RDFa XHTML 1.1 module and spec [recorded in > [22]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action06] > > [22] http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action06 > > Mark: the module is already complete. I've enlisted Shane because of > his understanding of XHTML modularization and his ability to write > specs quickly > > Ben: does your current module have the latest striping and class > decisions incorporated? > > Mark: no, not yet > ... but it won't take long to bring it into line > > <benadida> looking at --> > [23]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#ActionSummary > > [23] >http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#ActionSummary > > ACTION: [DONE] Elias to look into sharing Open Office with task > force [recorded in > [24]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action11] > > [24] http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action11 > > ACTION: Elias to send by email examples of HTML markup that could be > problematic with reification [recorded in > [25]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action05] > [WITHDRAWN] > > [25] http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action05 > > ACTION: Elias to send email to list with use case from IBM [recorded > in [26]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action10] > [CONTINUES] > > [26] http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action10 > > ACTION: Elias start an FAQ [recorded in > [27]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action04] > [CONTINUES] > > [27] http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action04 > > ACTION: Mark produce more examples of applicability of n-ary > relations from IPTC documents [recorded in > [28]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action08] > [CONTINUES] > > [28] http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action08 > > Mark: I have to reproduce these from memory > > ACTION: Mark write examples/tests of striping support [recorded in > [29]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action07] > [CONTINUES] > > [29] http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action07 > > ACTION: Steven to put together sample XHTML2 doc with all mime type, > etc.. [recorded in > [30]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action09] > [CONTINUES] > > [30] http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action09 > >Use Cases > > ACTION: Michael to research extended usages of RDFa in Wikis > [recorded in > [31]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/11-htmltf-minutes.html#action03] > [DONE] > > [31] http://www.w3.org/2006/12/11-htmltf-minutes.html#action03 > > Michael: I added several > ... I tried to separate system metadata from others > > -> [32]Semantic Wiki use cases > > [32] >http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa_Use_Cases_and_Requireme >nts#head-16b401eee1ad765055a4b133806e0fe799ecaadb > > Michael: does 8.1 capture what you were thinking, Ben? > > Ben: begins to capture > ... in a semantic wiki there are triples all over the place; every > link has a relationship > > Michael: I could go into more detail but I really wanted to show > that without any user action there is already metadata there and > RDFa could be provided > > Ben: can point out that all the triples from the semantic wiki can > be included in the HTML > > Michael: I'm not so deep into semantic wikis to know if they want to > go into client-side RDFa > ... they're currently constructing RDF on the server side from the > raw page source > > Ben: I need to resync on this; I've talked with Stefano Mazocchi > > ACTION: Ben look at Semantic Media Wiki use case [recorded in > [33]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action15] > > [33] http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action15 > > Michael: [34]PDF use case > ... converting PDF to HTML can preserve the metadata using RDFa > ... Mobile Device use case; I looked quickly at DELI and it seems > feasible to create this on the fly > > [34] >http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa_Use_Cases_and_Requireme >nts#head-fd77f6f46ed0abaa22c6f67728d9df884238e7bf > > Mark: doesn't seem quite the right way around; CC/PP is delivered by > the client to the server > > Ralph: that is my understanding as well; the server does some > processing based on the client describing its capabilities > > Mark: role attribute is used now a lot in the mobile community > ... to describe, e.g. that a div is a navigation bar or a footer > ... with CC/PP you know what the device can do so the server can > optimize the placement of such things for the device > > Michael: Publishing use case > ... to emphasize use in blogging community > > <MarkB_> On blogging: > [35]http://chem-bla-ics.blogspot.com/2006_12_01_chem-bla-ics_archive > .html > > [35] >http://chem-bla-ics.blogspot.com/2006_12_01_chem-bla-ics_archive.html > > <MarkB_> This guy is talking about using RDFa for chemistry. > > Michael: might be nice to approach del.icio.us > > ACTION: Michael review Mobile Device use case [recorded in > [36]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action16] > > [36] http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action16 > > Mark: chem-bla-ics is an example of a focussed blog that is more > than simply a personal page > > Ben: chemisty example might be better to go with Science Commons use > case rather than just blogging > > ACTION: Ben add chem-bla-ics use case to a science use case > [recorded in > [37]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action17] > > [37] http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action17 > > Mark: this also shows a need for namespaces > > Ben: copy-and-paste use case is Mark's > > Mark: yep, I'll work on it this week > > Ben: I've received suggestions that the use cases be more > consumer-focussed and less publisher-focussed > ... add more story lines, as the use cases are never just one-way > ... next 2 Mondays are holidays. Are we able to meet later during > the week of 1 January? > > Mark: I'll be working off and on, but perhaps we can communicate > more by email > > Ben: next telecon will be 8 Jan then; we'll need to have a complete > document by then to send to the WG for the 9th > > Ralph: I'd like to see more detail in story lines in the use case > document. Most of the detail is currently buried in the markup. This > works for us but not for the general reader. > > Ben: yes, I hope to flesh out the story lines following the GRDDL > example > > Ralph: from the use cases, we should be able to distill out > requirements > ... summarized in a "list of requirements." > > <mhausenblas> [38]http://www.w3.org/TR/webont-req/ > > [38] http://www.w3.org/TR/webont-req/ > > Michael: where are our requirements? they should be called out > specifically, as in the OWL UCR document > > Ralph: I agree but I'm pessimistic about the available time > > Michael: so we shouldn't claim that this document has requirements > yet > >XHTML 1.1 module status > > Ben: we have Mark's update > ... is it likely to be ready by 8 Jan? > > <benadida> --> > [39]http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/HTML/2005-current-issues > > [39] >http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/HTML/2005-current-issues > > Mark: I hope so -- I'm keeping an eye out for Shane > >Issues > > Ben: I want to particularly highlight issues 4&7 role & class) > > -> [40]Role Attribute > > [40] >http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/HTML/2005-current-issues#role > > Mark: I'm happy with the proposal > > Michael: whatever we decide needs to go into the RDFa syntax > document soon > > Ralph: I'm generally persuaded by Mark's arguments > > Ben: we should confirm Steven's agreement > ... issue 12 - CURIEs in predicate attributes > ... I'm of the opinion that these should be CURIE/QName only, and > not try to add [] syntax > > Ralph: the further we get from current HTML practice the harder we > make our lives > > Ben: sounds like we have consensus for just CURIE only > > Ralph: I need to raise red flags about presuming a CURIE solution, > especially for XHTML 1.1 > > Mark: we don't need to drop CURIEs just because of XHTML 1.1 > > Ben: issue 18 nested meta and link > ... proposed resolution is to look up the tree for a meta containing > @about > ... in Bob Ducharme's example in the use case, do we agree that the > interpretation is as Bob suggests? Making statements about the same > subject > > Michael: I have a problem with reification in general. I doubt it's > wise to include it in the first version. > > Mark: this isn't reification > ... we don't get reification until we put meta inside non-meta > > [adjourned] > >Summary of Action Items > > [NEW] ACTION: Ben add chem-bla-ics use case to a science use case > [recorded in > [41]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action17] > [NEW] ACTION: Ben add a forwarding pointer to > [42]http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/HTML/2005-current-issues > when the new wiki issues list page is created [recorded in > [43]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action04] > [NEW] ACTION: Ben look at Semantic Media Wiki use case [recorded in > [44]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action15] > [NEW] ACTION: Mark produce RDFa XHTML 1.1 module and spec [recorded > in [45]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action06] > [NEW] ACTION: Michael move the issues list to the wiki [recorded in > [46]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action03] > [NEW] ACTION: Michael review Mobile Device use case [recorded in > [47]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action16] > [PENDING] ACTION: Ben to look into Science Commons use case > [recorded in > [48]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/11-htmltf-minutes.html#action04] > [PENDING] ACTION: Elias start an FAQ [recorded in > [49]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action04] > [PENDING] ACTION: Elias to send email to list with use case from IBM > [recorded in > [50]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action10] > [PENDING] ACTION: Mark produce more examples of applicability of > n-ary relations from IPTC documents [recorded in > [51]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action08] > [PENDING] ACTION: Mark write examples/tests of striping support > [recorded in > [52]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action07] > [PENDING] ACTION: Steven to put together sample XHTML2 doc with all > mime type, etc.. [recorded in > [53]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action09] > [WITHDRAWN] ACTION: Elias to send by email examples of HTML markup > that could be problematic with reification [recorded in > [54]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action05] > [DONE] ACTION: Ben update the issues list [recorded in > [55]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action03] > [DONE] ACTION: Elias to look into sharing Open Office with task > force [recorded in > [56]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action11] > [DONE] ACTION: Mark to report on schema progress [recorded in > [57]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/11-htmltf-minutes.html#action05] > [DONE] ACTION: Michael to research extended usages of RDFa in Wikis > [recorded in > [58]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/11-htmltf-minutes.html#action03] > > [41] http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action17 > [42] >http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/HTML/2005-current-issues > [43] http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action04 > [44] http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action15 > [45] http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action06 > [46] http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action03 > [47] http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action16 > [48] http://www.w3.org/2006/12/11-htmltf-minutes.html#action04 > [49] http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action04 > [50] http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action10 > [51] http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action08 > [52] http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action07 > [53] http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action09 > [54] http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action05 > [55] http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action03 > [56] http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action11 > [57] http://www.w3.org/2006/12/11-htmltf-minutes.html#action05 > [58] http://www.w3.org/2006/12/11-htmltf-minutes.html#action03 > > [End of minutes] > _____________________________________________________ > > > Minutes formatted by David Booth's [59]scribe.perl version 1.127 > ([60]CVS log) > $Date: 2006/12/18 18:58:25 $ > > [59] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm > [60] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/ > > > >
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