Semanticworks screenshot RE: [SE] OOSD note

Attached is a screenshot in the Altova Semanticworks GUI, of the same "Customer" class
shown in the Protégé screenshot of the note.

Bernard

> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : public-swbp-wg-request@w3.org
> [mailto:public-swbp-wg-request@w3.org]De la part de Bernard Vatant
> Envoyé : samedi 8 octobre 2005 12:04
> À : Jeff Z. Pan; public-swbp-wg@w3.org
> Cc : Phil Tetlow; Holger Knublauch
> Objet : RE: [SE] OOSD note
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> Hello all
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> Two remarks on this vey interesting note
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> 1. I already made a comment about the definition of OWL classes as "sets" of individuals
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Oct/0045.html
> No answer so far, but I see it has been included in the OO/OWL comparison table, so ...
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> 2. [TODO: Possibly also include screenshots of other tools (Cerebra has been
> suggested) -
> I welcome contributions -- hk]
> Maybe it would be worth considering the new Altova tool Semanticworks
> http://www.altova.com/products_semanticworks.html
> The interesting thing is that this tool has been developed as part of an XML toolkit,
> which makes it quite different of Protégé or SWOOP. The GUI will sound familiar to users
> of XMLSpy, but quite weird to Protégé users. I've downloaded and tried it a bit. There
> seems to remain quite a bunch a bugs in this early version, but worth looking at anyway.
> To many people in this group, it will be strange to see how it handles "ontology
> validation", which IMO seems to look more like an XML schema validation. "Validation" of
> files edited under Protégé and SWOOP gives strange bunches of "errors", and if you edit
> them, you get of course yet another serialization. I had already experienced
> that kind of
> problems between Protégé and SWOOP, so it is not big news :))
>
> This leads me to note that maybe there is something misleading in section 3.1
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> "RDF just defines the very basic syntax for Semantic Web content, and has an XML
> serialization that allows users to share models on the Web."
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> It would be more honest to point that RDF has *many* XML serializations, and
> that the same
> set of triples can be expressed in an unbound variety of syntaxes, none of them being
> canonical, and which are likely to become arbitrarily complex for large RDF
> graphs (which
> I stick to think is a major issue for wide adoption and interoperability). So maybe the
> document should include somewhere that tools editors should be aware of issues raised by
> this very variety of syntaxes, and that "conformant" RDF tools (which somehow handle
> internally the semantics of RDF) are bound to exchange RDF not only with each other, but
> with more loosy applications which will rely more on XML structure than on
> underlying RDF
> semantics, and of which RDF parsers are likely to be less tolerant to exotic
> serializations.
>
> My concern here is that this group should make the community aware of the risk
> of building
> software environments able to use only on a specific, and de facto "proprietary" RDF
> serialization. Now that we begin to have a variety of RDF tools coming to the
> market from
> various backgrounds, it would be good to address real life interoperability issues, like
> "Can I edit an ontology exported from Protégé into SWOOP, Altova Semanticworks ... and
> send it back to Protégé without loosing anything?". Maybe this is not exactly
> in the scope
> of this note, but seems somehow related.
>
> Bernard
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> Bernard Vatant
> Mondeca Knowledge Engineering
> bernard.vatant@mondeca.com
> (+33) 0871 488 459
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> http://www.mondeca.com
> http://universimmedia.blogspot.com
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> > -----Message d'origine-----
> > De : public-swbp-wg-request@w3.org
> > [mailto:public-swbp-wg-request@w3.org]De la part de Jeff Z. Pan
> > Envoyé : vendredi 7 octobre 2005 16:24
> > À : public-swbp-wg@w3.org
> > Cc : Phil Tetlow; Holger Knublauch
> > Objet : [SE] OOSD note
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> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > The OOSD note is now available from the SETF homepage.
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> > http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/SE/ODSD/
> >
> > Greetings,
> > Jeff
> >
> > --
> > Jeff Z. Pan (http://www.csd.abdn.ac.uk/~jpan/)
> > Department of Computing Science, The University of Aberdeen
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