- From: Ralph R. Swick <swick@w3.org>
- Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 16:04:17 -0400
- To: public-swbp-wg@w3.org
Minutes of the 21 April SWBPD WG Telecon [1] are now available in
more presentable form.
[1] http://www.w3.org/2005/04/21-swbp-minutes
A plaintext snapshot of revision 1.3 follows:
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SemWeb Best Practices and Deployment
21 Apr 2005
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Apr/0059.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2005/04/21-swbp-irc
Attendees
Present
David Wood, Alistair Miles, Ralph Swick, Jeremy Carroll, Fabien
Gandon, Elisa Kendall, Phil Tetlow, Gavin McKenzie, Libby
Miller, Chris Welty, Deb McGuinness, Evan Wallace,
+44.774.0.aaaa
Regrets
GuusS, SteveP, BenjaminN, NatashaN, DanBri, TomB, DarrenG,
GaryN, MarcoN, BrianM, AldoG, JeffP, ValentinaP
Chair
DavidW
Scribe
Jeremy
Contents
* [4]Topics
*
1. [5]Admin
2. [6]Liaison
3. [7]TF Updates
o [8]SE
o [9]PORT
o [10]OEP
o [11]Wordnet
o [12]XML Schema datatypes
o [13]Vocabulary management
o [14]RDF-in-HTML
o [15]ADTF
o [16]RDFTM
o [17]Tutorial Page
* [18]Summary of Action Items
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Admin
RESOLVED to accept the [19]minutes of the April 7 telecon
[19] http://www.w3.org/2005/04/07-swbp-minutes.html
RESOLVED next telecon 5 May, 1700 UTC, Ralph to chair if necessary;
regrets from David & Jeremy
general actions, two both marked done
ACTION: Guus to organise [20]straw poll on f2f location [DONE]
[20] http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35495/ftf2005/
ACTION: Ralph investigate what action may be taken when an interested
participant has been unable to get a response from his AC
Representative [21]DONE]
[21] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Apr/0048.html
Jeremy: might want to consider if we want to make a WG comment on SCD
doc
David: tough since no one has read it, discuss under action item
Liaison
ACTION: Chairs to discuss the httpRange-14 issue at the coordination
level [CONTINUES]
2.1 httpRange-14 liason discussion has been had at CG level, but still
deadlocked
2.2 ODM review
ACTION: Guus to review OWL metamodel [CONTINUES]
ACTION: Deb to go over OWL metamodel and provide a summary [CONTINUES]
(althought Pat Hayes comment addressed some of Deb's points)
2.3 XML Schema Component Designators
Jeremy posted review just before call
ACTION: jjc to review XML schema LC draft [DONE]
<Ralph> [22]XML Schema Component Designators Review Jeremy
2005-04-21]
[22] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Apr/0073.html
ACTION: jeff to review XML schema LC draft [CONTINUES]
Jeremy: I suggested a WG response that was positive.
... one comment we might want to make regarding namespace bindings
Ralph: I suggest that Jeremy post his review to both WGs as his own
review
Jeremy: agree
ACTION: jeremy post personal review to XSCD doc
TF Updates
3.10, SE
Phil: we're pretty close to second version of note for WG
consideration, probably within next three weeks
3.1 PORT
Alistair:SKOS core and docs, Tom Baker asked how SKOS Core is managed,
and how that relates to W3C process and managing docs
... Current process model is editors can change it at any time
... So the current version of SKOS core can be out-of-sync with
published WG note
... Meeting in Berlin Zoo last week
... suggested different [23]SKOS management process model that fits in
with W3C process dor publishing docs
... After publication of WD by WG, SKOS Core is frozen, but possible
changes are recorded
... any then with a new WD the changes agree by WG get rolled in to
SKOS Core and new WD
[23] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Apr/0072.html
Ralph: I saw small group of developers around SKOS and turning it into
more formal W3C like process
... this is a change for the SKOS community
... may they be expecting to make more frequent changes?
... doing a diff on two versions of an editors draft should be able to
be correlated with e-mail
... so that changes are owned by the WG through the e-mail
Alistair: more informal version of DCMI usage board
... key change being proposed is that changes won't actually be
implemented until SWBPD WG approves WD
Ralph: key change is move from informal process as the current SKOS
community may expect to a more formal process
Alistair: most people in SKOS community would like SKOS core to be
more stable
Tom: confusion between editors draft and public WDs
Ralph: WG is free to modify namespace doc between versions of WDs
... but important to align expectations of community with expectations
of WG
Alistair: from meeting with Tom, it would be good to have a W3C
process for maintaining vocab
Ralph: as PORT TF asks WG to publish notes, the WG assumes ownership
of vocab
Alistair: ownership of SKOS should be open community which anyone can
contribute to it
Jeremy: the OWL and RDF test cases had a similar issue with Working
Drafts being published but the test case repository being changed
in-place
... when the editor's drafts differed from the latest Working Draft,
it was often because the test respository had changed
Alistair: Tom was not happy with the test cases model
3.2 OEP
<Ralph> [24]OEP TF home (lists all editor's drafts)
[24] http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/OEP/
Deb and Chris report ...
[25]part-whole] update from Natasha's note on April 14
[25] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Apr/0056.html
classes as values is now published note
specified values note is ready to go
n-ary relations is still being revised
with n-ary relations several requests to pick a pattern, and provide
an RDF vocab for the pattern
then the vocab would need to be at a namespace doc etc etc
Chris: applications that want higher -arity relations would like a way
to translate to and from RDF's binary relations
... a vocabulary accepted by most applications would facilitate this
David: given the current state of the SemWeb, I have no trouble
calling this 'best practice' rather than 'research'
Ralph: is the OEP TF in a position to propose such a vocabulary?
Chris: yes, we have something nearly ready to put in the document
David asks Deb if she is happy with this.
Deb: I don't mind haven't a standard vocab, as long as documented well
Ralph: question of whether this becomes a formal rec is separate
... I encourage the TF to propose a vocabulary for converting between
binary and n-ary relations
two other editors draft part/whole
guus wrote note on QCRs a year ago ... but now recovered
Alan has agreed to take over editing QCRs note once part whole note is
WD
Chris asks Ralph about Gerry Hobbs and ISI AC rep
Ralph is expecting resolution any day soon
ACTION: Ralph re-ping ISI AC Rep
3.3 Wordnet
ACTION: Aldo to propose an update the Wordnet TF description
[CONTINUES]
Alistair has looked at datamodel and met with ISO group on temrinology
lots of overlap between ISO view, SKOS, and wordnet
ACTION: Alistair e-mail group about ISO contact; Laurent Romary
Chris: Aldo has spoken about this community. Aldo attended some
meeting with them
<aliman> Other TC37 contact: Alan K. Melby
3.4 XML Schema datatypes
ACTION: Ralph help Jeff and Jeremy with XML Schema Datatype
publication request [DONE]
<Ralph> The document transition was [26]requested on 11 April
[26] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/chairs/2005AprJun/0013.html
ralph claims action is done, but the document transition request fell
down a crack
ACTION: Ralph get XML Schema Datatype transition request unstuck
Jeremy: I have not yet considered Ashok's review; will send a polite
to respond to him acknowledging the review
ACTION: jeremy polite reply to ashok setting expectations
3.5 Vocabulary management (TomB)
Alistair: we had a chat last week
3.6 RDF-in-HTML (Ben)
ACTION: DanBri help write an rdf schema for the additional xhtml2
namespace elements [CONTINUES]
ACTION: Gavin find out from his community and contacts if they have
use cases [CONTINUES]
Ralph: still awaiting XHTML2 LC WD
Jeremy:from what I can tell there does not seem to be a lot of
enthusiasm in HP for GRDDL. HP not opposed to GRDDL moving forward but
not enthused either
Gavin:(earlier) got expressions of support for GRDDL within Adobe,
w.r.t. XHTML1
... will write this in mail
3.7 ADTF (Libby)
Libby: not much to report
... e-mail discussion on-going
Chris: if one of the criteria is that it has to be RDF or OWL, didn't
we have to change title to avoid question of scope of Semantic Web
David: we should be defining scope of SW but this is probably a CG
issue not a TF issue
... eric would like TM to be in SW, WG perhaps not so keen
... in practice dealing mostly with RDF and OWL
<Ralph> [I think David's "we" referred generally to W3C or the
community, not specifically SWBPD]
David: can we link to lots of RDF data
Ralph: let's not go there
... if there is cool data out there, hopefully it is found from cool
application on our page
ChrisW: note [27]http://swoogle.umbc.edu/
[27] http://swoogle.umbc.edu/
Libby: Bob de charm is collecting data as david discusses;
[28]http://www.rdfdata.org/
[28] http://www.rdfdata.org/
David: also [29]ontaria; cobranded W3c/darpa
[29] http://www.w3.org/2004/ontaria/
3.8 RDFTM (Steve)
ACTION: pepper to change reference to RDF semantics [DONE]
current status was published on March 29
3.9 Tutorial Page
jeff and Ben absent, but write access sorted out now
ACTION: Jeff to talk with Benjamin to propose a process for submission
of FAQ questions [CONTINUES]
ACTION: Ralph add Note category to WG home page
Summary of Action Items
ACTION: Aldo to propose an update the Wordnet TF description
ACTION: Alistair e-mail group about ISO contact; Laurent Romary
ACTION: Chairs to discuss the httpRange-14 issue at the coordination
level
ACTION: DanBri help write an rdf schema for the additional xhtml2
namespace elements
ACTION: Deb to go over OWL metamodel and provide a summary
ACTION: Gavin find out from his community and contacts if they have
use cases
ACTION: Guus to review OWL metamodel
ACTION: jeff to review XML schema LC draft
ACTION: Jeff to talk with Benjamin to propose a process for submission
of FAQ questions
[NEW] ACTION: jeremy polite reply to ashok setting expectations
[NEW] ACTION: jeremy post personal review to XSCD doc
[NEW] ACTION: Ralph add Note category to WG home page
[NEW] ACTION: Ralph get XML Schema Datatype transition request unstuck
[NEW] ACTION: Ralph re-ping ISI AC Rep
[DONE] ACTION: Guus to organise straw poll on f2f location
[DONE] ACTION: jjc to review XML schema LC draft
[DONE] ACTION: pepper to change reference to RDF semantics
[DONE] ACTION: Ralph help Jeff and Jeremy with XML Schema Datatype
publication request
[DONE] ACTION: Ralph investigate what action may be taken when an
interested participant has been unable to get a response from his AC
Representative
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